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[susan]

Morning petey

The majority of posters on this forum believe Jeremy Bamber to be innocent of the murders at WHF.  What makes us so sceptical is if Julie Mugford knew that it was Jeremy's intention to murder his entire family what kind of person does that make her that she lived with it before and after the murders and did nothing about it.  Would you class her as a credible witness I would not.  Secondly the silencer was not discovered  by the police but family members and taken away by one of them and passed from pillar to post before handing to EP. I am also of the belief that circumstantial evidence presented at trial was very "selective" and IMO the trial was very one sided.  This is of course my opinion which I am entitled to as you are entitled to yours and I will always read your posts and try to be respectful to you in my reply.

[petey]

Morning petey

The majority of posters on this forum believe Jeremy Bamber to be innocent of the murders at WHF.  What makes us so sceptical is if Julie Mugford knew that it was Jeremy's intention to murder his entire family what kind of person does that make her that she lived with it before and after the murders and did nothing about it.  Would you class her as a credible witness I would not.  Secondly the silencer was not discovered  by the police but family members and taken away by one of them and passed from pillar to post before handing to EP. I am also of the belief that circumstantial evidence presented at trial was very "selective" and IMO the trial was very one sided.  This is of course my opinion which I am entitled to as you are entitled to yours and I will always read your posts and try to be respectful to you in my reply.

With respect, if u read my post that is not the point I was making. Of course, how much credibility and strength you attach to the silencer evidence and Julie Mugford's witness statements is down to an individuals take on the case.

However, surely you must agree that to brazenly state categorically that the police had NO evidence and NOTHING to go on is just plain ridiculous and diminishes the effect of valuable debate. Why harm the valuable arena this forum provides for case debate by posting such absolute rubbish!

[Jane]

With respect, if u read my post that is not the point I was making. Of course, how much credibility and strength you attach to the silencer evidence and Julie Mugford's witness statements is down to an individuals take on the case.

However, surely you must agree that to brazenly state categorically that the police had NO evidence and NOTHING to go on is just plain ridiculous and diminishes the effect of valuable debate. Why harm the valuable arena this forum provides for case debate by posting such absolute rubbish!

Thankyou for sharing those thoughts with us, Petey.

[petey]

Thankyou for sharing those thoughts with us, Petey.

If u disagree with anything I have posted then pm me and I will explain in greater detail.

[susan]

Hello petey  how lookout expresses herself is really upto her and I am not on this forum to judge her or anyone else. I think knowing her as I do I could never ever think of her as brazen she says it as she thinks and many think like her but maybe keep it to themselves.

[Jane]

Hello petey  how lookout expresses herself is really upto her and I am not on this forum to judge her or anyone else. I think knowing her as I do I could never ever think of her as brazen she says it as she thinks and many think like her but maybe keep it to themselves.

Susan dear, HELLO I rather think that it was in a response to one of YOUR posts that the words "brazenly stated" were included.

[petey]

Hello petey  how lookout expresses herself is really upto her and I am not on this forum to judge her or anyone else. I think knowing her as I do I could never ever think of her as brazen she says it as she thinks and many think like her but maybe keep it to themselves.

Do u agree with what she posted then?!

Everybody on this forum is an Internet persona to me so I'm certainly not here to judge people. However when people post such rubbish which I believe to be detrimental to either jb's cause or healthy debate on this forum I have commented.

It's one thing debating the merits and strengths of various pieces of evidence and witness statements. However, irrespective of whether posters believe these to be worthless or not credible, it has to be accepted that they are evidence which was successfully used by the prosecution at trial. The fact that some people don't think they are acceptable / valid / credible evidence doesn't mean that they are not evidence and don't exist!

[susan]

Hello april  must have missed that was not aware I am brazen certainly never been called that before.  I am rather busy today and on and off the forum and obviously reading things wrong.  Thank you for pointing that out to me I appreciate that.

[susan]

petey the fact it has just been pointed out to me that my post was brazenly stated according to you I have no wish to debate with a person lacking in people skills and manners so you are now on ignore.

[Jane]

If u disagree with anything I have posted then pm me and I will explain in greater detail.

Petey, it's not a question of whether I agree or DISagree with what you've posted. We debate on different levels. Wheras I'm inclined to suggest that something may have been said/have occured, and say that my views are my opinion, you as a clinician would be more inclined simply to say that I was wrong, end of story. It IS only my opinion that the proscecution used to advantage what little was available at the time as it is also only my opinion that what they used then wouldn't bring about the same results or even be allowed today.

[petey]

petey the fact it has just been pointed out to me that my post was brazenly stated according to you I have no wish to debate with a person lacking in people skills and manners so you are now on ignore.

Given that my post quoted lookout's post and highlighted words I believe she erroneously used, when I questioned her audacity to make such a brazen statement, then I'm not too sure why you suddenly feel the aggrieved party.

By all means ignore me if you wish. I shall try not to lose too much sleep over ur damning verdict.

[petey]

Petey, it's not a question of whether I agree or DISagree with what you've posted. We debate on different levels. Wheras I'm inclined to suggest that something may have been said/have occured, and say that my views are my opinion, you as a clinician would be more inclined simply to say that I was wrong, end of story. It IS only my opinion that the proscecution used to advantage what little was available at the time as it is also only my opinion that what they used then wouldn't bring about the same results or even be allowed today.

I have never disagreed with people having the right to hold and express an opinion and have certainly never disagreed that the prosecution maximised their chances of success using evidence which has later been shown to be less credible than previously thought and at the very least tainted.

However, when people post erroneous statements that the police had absolutely no evidence and nothing to go on, I will correct them as this does jb and healthy debate on this forum, no favours at all.

[susan]

petey  I feel I owe you an apology as it would appear some confusion has occurred over the statement to lookout over the word" brazenly "  I was quite offended when it was said on the forum it was directed at me as I am a lot of things but brazen is not one of them quite the opposite actually.  So I will stand up and be counted and hold my hands high and say "so sorry" for implying you were bad mannered. You will be so pleased to know I am not putting you on "ignore" and you should sleep easy tonight

[lookout]

Goodness me,,I gave an opinion,my opinion. I don't expect to be met with the fact that I'm brazen as well.! Though I must have obviously hit a nerve over a year ago when I joined the forum,as petey made a beeline for each post I posted,,and it's carried on that way since.!
Do carry on nit-picking,petey if it makes you feel better.! It bothers me not. It would appear that the only time you show yourself,,is to pass some derogatory remark about me.
 

[susan]

Hello lookout think I have upset petey because I said he had no people skills and was bad mannered as I thought I was the brazen one.  I have said sorry but think he is ignoring me.  I do hope he can forgive me for being so rude to him