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This evidence was never relied on during the trial - Sheila spoke to actor on telephone just before she went on a shooting spree, claiming to him that she was hearing voices from god, telling her to do things...
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He also called his former girlfriend, a manic depressive, who loved her two kids, and hesaid that he ciould not imagine what took place at the farmhouse when she shot dead everyone and then killed herself, but if someone had been threatening to take her kids away from her, that might havebeen thetrigger that started it all off (or words to thgat effect) - News of the World, 11th August 1985...
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"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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He also called his former girlfriend, a manic depressive, who loved her two kids, and hesaid that he ciould not imagine what took place at the farmhouse when she shot dead everyone and then killed herself, but if someone had been threatening to take her kids away from her, that might havebeen thetrigger that started it all off (or words to thgat effect) - News of the World, 11th August 1985...
Hi Mike I have read that June used to tell Sheila she was an unfit mother. If things like that were said that night coupled with talk of others looking after her children at least part of the time it could have been the last straw in Sheila's head. Especially as she had spoken about killing her mother and herself for  a long time?
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There is no doubt who killed the family that night. It's not a question of Jeremy having used Sheilas' illness as an excuse. Nobody who's right in the head would have committed that atrocity,,and I don't see Jeremy as having been part of it at all. He wasn't capable of carrying such a thing out,besides the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever,either forensic or otherwise.

I know what paranoid schizophrenics can do,because one lives in the next road to me.Her mother and daughter have had to move out of the family home for fear of their lives. 

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There is no doubt who killed the family that night. It's not a question of Jeremy having used Sheilas' illness as an excuse. Nobody who's right in the head would have committed that atrocity,,and I don't see Jeremy as having been part of it at all. He wasn't capable of carrying such a thing out,besides the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever,either forensic or otherwise.

I know what paranoid schizophrenics can do,because one lives in the next road to me.Her mother and daughter have had to move out of the family home for fear of their lives.


Lookout, I have suggested that it would be interesting to construct lists of KNOWN pointers to why Jeremy/Sheila would have committed this crime. There are numerous KNOWN facts that could be placed under Sheila's name. The only "facts" which could be placed under Jeremy's name have been pulled out of the ether and made to fit.

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Lookout, I have suggested that it would be interesting to construct lists of KNOWN pointers to why Jeremy/Sheila would have committed this crime. There are numerous KNOWN facts that could be placed under Sheila's name. The only "facts" which could be placed under Jeremy's name have been pulled out of the ether and made to fit.
That is very true April, it would be an interesting exercise.  Would you like to start it? :) :)

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Lookout, I have suggested that it would be interesting to construct lists of KNOWN pointers to why Jeremy/Sheila would have committed this crime. There are numerous KNOWN facts that could be placed under Sheila's name. The only "facts" which could be placed under Jeremy's name have been pulled out of the ether and made to fit.

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Lookout, I have suggested that it would be interesting to construct lists of KNOWN pointers to why Jeremy/Sheila would have committed this crime. There are numerous KNOWN facts that could be placed under Sheila's name. The only "facts" which could be placed under Jeremy's name have been pulled out of the ether and made to fit.




A good idea,April,,,though I'd really struggle with Jeremy.

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For all those naive enough to believe the police don't use underhanded and dirty tactics to cover their own arses - ask the Lawrence family!!

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For all those naive enough to believe the police don't use underhanded and dirty tactics to cover their own arses - ask the Lawrence family!!




Caroline,,I've just been reading about that. I wonder if it'll come to anything.? Don't hold your breath.!
It's an absolute disgrace that the Met police plotted a smear campaign against the family.Now they've got to prove that they didn't." Pigs might fly.!

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For all those naive enough to believe the police don't use underhanded and dirty tactics to cover their own arses - ask the Lawrence family!!
We have seen two recent cases, Hillsborough and now again the Stephen Lawrence case.  These two appalling examples of controlling and power mad police behaviour is surely enough to convince we do not live in a fair and open society.  Personally,I don't trust any of them an inch it's a very bad state of affairs imo, once I used to really believe we lived in a special country and it's sad to realise we are at least as bad as any other.  Maybe until the emergence of the digital world we were just better at covering it up.

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I've just posted my sixpenn'orth on the Yahoo news thread for ALL to see. So I can only hope that some of the retired officers of the Bamber case are looking in.
I've had one positive reply.!

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I've just posted my sixpenn'orth on the Yahoo news thread for ALL to see. So I can only hope that some of the retired officers of the Bamber case are looking in.
I've had one positive reply.!




Dishing dirt seems to be a favourite past-time in order to try and get a conviction.It was done in Jeremys' case. Because the police had nothing to go on,,no evidence,forensic or otherwise,,they decided to resurrect past exploits which bore no relevence to the crime,,such as the friendship of a homosexual,,conversations " allegedly " said to certain members of family and friends,,without witnesses to back the conversations up.

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Dishing dirt seems to be a favourite past-time in order to try and get a conviction.It was done in Jeremys' case. Because the police had nothing to go on,,no evidence,forensic or otherwise,,they decided to resurrect past exploits which bore no relevence to the crime,,such as the friendship of a homosexual,,conversations " allegedly " said to certain members of family and friends,,without witnesses to back the conversations up.

Why state this so brazenly when it is simply not true.

I appreciate that different posters on here have differing opinions on the case and are more or less inclined towards JBs guilt on differing levels. However, to state that the police had no evidence whatsoever, is just plain ridiculous.

I don't intend to patronise but are u aware of circumstantial evidence? Equally however much you or others may attempt to discredit Julie Mugford and the silencer, it is still evidence used by the police and prosecution.

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Two silencers, not one, were present at the scene on the morning of the shootings, one parker hale model MM1, and another identical parker hale silencer, model MM1. One which was normally fitted to the barrel of Anthony Pargeters Bruno.22 bolt action rifle, and the other normally fitted to the barrel of the so called Bamber owned .22 semi-automatic rifle. Yet, we find that police who entered the farm house that morning say nothing at all about finding the Pargeter rifle or the state it was found in (more later), however, they find the Bamber rifle minus its silencer upstairs in the main bedroom. Then what supposedly happens is that police do not suspect that a silencer was used in the shootings, so after three days of examining the farm house, police hand keys over to the relatives on evening of 9th August 1985. On the following day (10th) relatives find one of the silencers in a gun cupboard in the downstairs office. This silencer is taken to the home of Ann Eaton where it is kept until evening of 12th August 1985, at which stage Peter Eaton (gun dealor) hands it over to DS 'Stan' Jones, and so on, and so forth...

Relatives remove all the weapons from the scene, including emptying the aforementioned gun cupboard of everything firearms related, including guns, ammunitions, and weapon accessories...

Neither the police, the relatives who carried out the search on 10th August 1985, refer to the presence of Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle being found and present in that very same gun cupboard - but there it was, photographed by the police inside that very same gun cupboard on morning of 7th August 1985, minus its silencer on the end of its barrel...

Two .22 rifles then, found at the scene, one upstairs at the bedroom window leaning against the window, or on Sheila's body, and the other downstairs in the gun cupboard, both with the thread on the end of their barrels exposed, where at some stage a silencer belonging to either rifle was once fitted - and then along come the relatives and they find a silencer in the same gun cupboard that Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was also situated, so not only does David Boutflour suddenly come to the conclusion at the behest of his father Robert Woodwis Boutflour that this particular silencer was probably used in the shootings and must be given to the police, but Ann Eaton, her husband Peter, DS 'Stan' Jones, DI Cook, and PI Miller, suddenly begin to treat it as the parker hale silencer belonging and owned by the Bambers which fitted the .22 semi-automatic rifle found upstairs in the bedroom. In order to promote this feature, every effort is made to try and disguise the presence of Anthonys .22 bolt action rifle (minus its own parker hale silencer) in the very same gun cupboard in the downstairs office on the morning of the shootings. How anyone could possibly be able to tell which parker hale silencer belonged to whom, or to which rifle, beggars belief - but suddenly it is being declared from the roof tops that the Bamber owned parker hale silencer has been found in the gun cupboard, where Anthony Pargeters unsilenced .22 rifle was also found...

It is simply not good enough, to declare from day 1 of the find of this silencer that it was the Bamber owned parker hale silencer, and to assume that blood and paint found upon it, or within it, proves or establishes that it was fitted to the thread of the Bamber owned .22 semi-automatic rifle at the time of the shootings, since it could very well have been fitted to the thread of the Pargeter .22 bolt action rifles barrel when it became contaminated - it was not 100% certain that it could have been fitted to the barrel of either rifle, it might not have been fitted at all to one rifle (described) or the other, at best only a 50 / 50 chance it might have been fitted to the barrel of one, or the other weapon...

Once you start tampering with evidence to try and hide or conceal the presence of the Pargeter rifle and its parker hale silencer from even being present at the scene at the time of the shootings, alarm bells start ringing, the sirens start going off, and it makes it more likely that any claim that this blood / paint contaminated parker hale silencer was / is the Bamber owned one, and that it was fitted to the barrel of the Bamber rifle during the shootings, less likely...

Why have so many prosecution witnesses gone out of their way to try and cover up for the fact that Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was found in the gun cupboard without its parker hale silencer fitted to its barrel?

I will have a great deal more to say on this soon...

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...