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The relatives owned an anshulz .22 semi-automatic rifle, like the one depicted as the sole murder weapon...
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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2013, 10:14:AM »
Not much has been made about the broken rifle.? Or the broken toe-nail of Sheilas'.In fact a lot has been omitted. Or the two different bullet wounds in Sheilas' neck.
Pargeter swiftly changed addresses of his rifle licence before/during/after the murders.? Hence the delay in producing the said rifle,which he'd denied being at WHF. I wonder how he got out of that one.?

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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2013, 10:17:AM »

Let me introduce the following scenario into the equation:-

There existed two identical anshulz .22 semi-automatic rifles, one owned by the Bambers, the other by the relatives...

At some stage after the shootings, the barrel of one was detached and fitted to the other, and vice versa...
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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2013, 10:21:AM »

Let me introduce the following scenario into the equation:-

There existed two identical anshulz .22 semi-automatic rifles, one owned by the Bambers, the other by the relatives...

At some stage after the shootings, the barrel of one was detached and fitted to the other, and vice versa...





Hence the " wanted " paint sample on the 9th,,for the silencer which was found on the 10th,,which in turn lay forgotten until the 12th. The quickness of the hand deceives the eye. Then added to the Bamber rifle in which to frame Jeremy.

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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2013, 10:23:AM »

Let me introduce the following scenario into the equation:-

There existed two identical anshulz .22 semi-automatic rifles, one owned by the Bambers, the other by the relatives...

At some stage after the shootings, the barrel of one was detached and fitted to the other, and vice versa...

Alternatively...

the barrel of Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was subsequently swapped over, before (1992) COLP got around to examining it as part of their investigation into which weapon had fired the 10 rounds not linked to the Bamber owned .22 anshulz semi-automatic rifle...
« Last Edit: June 18, 2013, 10:25:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2013, 10:30:AM »
In due course, I will be posting a report from the COLP investigation (1991 - 1992) which specifically states that Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was to be seized to see if it fired the 10 bullets not fired from the Bamber owned .22 anshulz rifle, and some brigadier or whoever, playing merry hell that this course of action was being adopted -  now, why have the military taken an interest in this case?
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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2013, 10:34:AM »
In due course, I will be posting a report from the COLP investigation (1991 - 1992) which specifically states that Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was to be seized to see if it fired the 10 bullets not fired from the Bamber owned .22 anshulz rifle, and some brigadier or whoever, playing merry hell that this course of action was being adopted -  now, why have the military taken an interest in this case?

Police, firearms unit, special branch, and now the military - and tons and tons of evidence being withheld under pii and proviso legislation...
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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2013, 10:42:AM »
In due course, I will be posting a report from the COLP investigation (1991 - 1992) which specifically states that Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was to be seized to see if it fired the 10 bullets not fired from the Bamber owned .22 anshulz rifle, and some brigadier or whoever, playing merry hell that this course of action was being adopted -  now, why have the military taken an interest in this case?



Influence from Jeremys' biological father,Mike.

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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2013, 10:47:AM »
Alternatively...

the barrel of Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle was subsequently swapped over, before (1992) COLP got around to examining it as part of their investigation into which weapon had fired the 10 rounds not linked to the Bamber owned .22 anshulz semi-automatic rifle...

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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2013, 11:17:AM »
I wouldn't mind betting that the contents of the buckets were poked with the end of a rifle,,to see where all the blood came from. That would get sucked up the rifle too,if it was swished around.

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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2013, 01:25:PM »
The interesting thing is that COLP were prepared to accept that 10 of the 25 bullets had not been fired through the Bamber owned .22 semi-automatic rifle, yet the batch of 25 crime scene cartridge cases had all been loaded, fired, and ejected from it...

How odd...
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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2013, 01:29:PM »

Let me introduce the following scenario into the equation:-

There existed two identical anshulz .22 semi-automatic rifles, one owned by the Bambers, the other by the relatives...

At some stage after the shootings, the barrel of one was detached and fitted to the other, and vice versa...

changing a barrel would try less then 5mins to swap! you un-bolt the fore end wood and remove the barrel!!! the ruger .22lr only need a screwdriver remove the foreend and twist it out and change over!
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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2013, 03:29:PM »
changing a barrel would try less then 5mins to swap! you un-bolt the fore end wood and remove the barrel!!! the ruger .22lr only need a screwdriver remove the foreend and twist it out and change over!

Yes, it would only take a matter of minutes to switch the barrel of a .22 rifle, no serial numbers on the barrel to authenticate it as being the one fitted at the time of manufacture...

Anthony Pargeter had 7 years in which to swap over his barrel, so that by the time COLP came along in 1992, to see if it could have fired the 10 rounds not shot from the anshulz, a match could not be established - this is because the barrel had been switched on the .22 bolt action rifle in the mean time...
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Re: How long would it take to swap the barrel of a .22 rifle over?
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2013, 05:39:PM »
The rifles main serial number is stamped into the receiver of the rifle, that houses the bolt/breach bolt and barrel.

The barrel will have proof marks and may have some sort of date stamp. but likely if the barrels were changed after the shootings its possible to obtain a barrel of the same year. it has been know for serial number to be stamped into the barrel or a second number stamped aswell. but not all the time.

Nowadays technology can prove a gun has fired at the murder scene, if sent cases have been collected.

police microscope can pick up on firing pin and extractor indent impressions and unique scratches linking such firearm if the barrel had been changed. But its slim to go on.
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