Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985

[Steve_uk]

Morning steve

I was under the impression Jeremy was to inherit a large amount of money from Grannie Speakman who was very old surely he could have waited a wee while longer for money he was not exactly penniless. Although Julie would have been high maintenance but she had her own methods of obtaining cash.

This is another myth which this site continually perpetuates and I am happy to set the record straight for members. Although Jeremy was popular with Mabel Speakman, like many people she had left her estate to her next of kin which in her case was her daughters Pamela and June. In Jeremy's mind here June was just another obstacle to him obtaining money in the short term and as Roger Wilkes' ironically named book Blood Relations intimates Jeremy did not regard any of them as family. They were at most intimate strangers and at the end of their lives just a barrier in Jeremy's quest for a new life.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Lookout

Mrs Brencher's witness statement states "...,Sheila tried very hard to secure a permanent job but found it difficult." 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=970.0;attach=4911

Even when her mental state was relatively 'normal' she appears to have suffered a dire lack of confidence as per wit stats and the books. 

Claire Powell's book states:

"Aware of her predicament, Sheila's girlfriends rallied round and tried to help her out.  But it was not easy as she did not have the temperament or the qualifications which would have made her a potentially good employee.  'One of her boyfriends and I tried to get her this receptionist job with British Telecom, but it didn't work out,' said Kirstie.  'She just couldn't make it through that kind of interview."

Reading all the books (excl Lomax) I don't get the impression SC lived very comfortably at all.  Sure she was privately educated, received private psychiatric treatment and her parents bought the Maida Vale flat but she doesn't seem to have had any money of her own so to speak.  She claimed DSS and June delivered weekly food parcels.  Hence she turned to things like soft porn modelling and a stint at waitressing in some seedy joint where women dress up as school girls to serve school dinner type fayre to men   

After finishing school/secretarial college she got a job as a trainee hairdresser but was sacked after six months.  She also worked in a shoe shop for a while.  As far as I can see the only modelling assignment she had was the ill-fated trip to Tokyo where she wrote to CC asking him to make arrangements for her to see a psychiatrist on her return.

So June was against the fostering of the twins as related by Mrs. Brencher. Now that's a surprise considering that Jeremy intimated that a discussion was proceeding that final evening round the kitchen table whereby the twins apparently pertained to June and Sheila was frightened of losing them. I also note that Sheila when ill made appropriate arrangements to deal with her situation as regards the Tokyo assignment and of course was heavily influenced by Nevill who looking back was a saint in his dealings with both children,which should be remembered when one wonders whether it was in fact Sheila who didn't just kill him but killed him in a vindictive manner.

[Steve_uk]

Hi NN,,but nobody told Sheila to lead her life as she did. Soft porn for instance.Can you imagine June sending her down that route.? What Sheila did,was under her own volition,,nobody else's,,and this is part of what I mean about her being reliant on the " good life ",,and her obvious unsettled mind of which steps to take next.
I think if Sheila hadn't touched the noxious substances,there might have been a chance that she'd have improved slowly but surely. Sadly,,she was looking for a way out,,and found it.

I'm sure if Sheila had wanted to earn money fast she would have persisted in that tacky underground world of pornography,but it appears that some members want it both ways when Sheila is being denigrated for taking cleaning work. It's a tribute to Sheila's strength of character that upon seeing the photographs she did all in her power to get them back from the photographer and fully realized her mistake.

[susan]

Morning steve

I personally would never think less of any woman willing to earn her own living as how she did it and I am sure people thought the same about Sheila at least she tried.

[susan]

Morning steve

another myth for you to set us all straight on.  After Jeremy was arrested it is alleged the family persuaded Grannie to remove Jeremy from her will which she did.  Now when Mason Doyle's book is published we may find out what are and are not myths may we not steve.

[maggie]

Morning steve
another myth for you to set us all straight on.  After Jeremy was arrested it is alleged the family persuaded Grannie to remove Jeremy from her will which she did.  Now when Mason Doyle's book is published we may find out what are and are not myths may we not steve.

Hi susie
I get the impression there are quite a few myths which have been accepted as fact on the forum for the simple reason that if something is repeated enough times it is accepted as truth. A prime example of that is Caroline's busting of the panic button myth. We are still not sure who originally planted such a myth but it was extremely misleading to the overall senario. 
I also am looking forward to Mason Doyle's book with great anticipation believing we shall see more myths exploded and the truth told at last 

[Jane]

Morning steve

another myth for you to set us all straight on.  After Jeremy was arrested it is alleged the family persuaded Grannie to remove Jeremy from her will which she did.  Now when Mason Doyle's book is published we may find out what are and are not myths may we not steve.

Thankyou Susan, was just about to say the same thing when I saw your post :D

[susan]

Morning april  Great minds think alike

[susan]

Hello Maggie  I agree about the panic button I was convinced as Vidvic had told us the existence of the panic button and I was under the impression he knew the family well and WHF and I believed him totally. As Caroline had always said show me some proof it existed and Vidvic said we would just have to take his word for it and it now appears Jeremy was telling the truth all along.  Wonder if Mason Doyle will mention this in his book. I now believe if the panic button had been in situ Ralph Bamber would have used it but sadly it was not installed until after the murders

[maggie]

Hello Maggie  I agree about the panic button I was convinced as Vidvic had told us the existence of the panic button and I was under the impression he knew the family well and WHF and I believed him totally. As Caroline had always said show me some proof it existed and Vidvic said we would just have to take his word for it and it now appears Jeremy was telling the truth all along.  Wonder if Mason Doyle will mention this in his book. I now believe if the panic button had been in situ Ralph Bamber would have used it but sadly it was not installed until after the murders

I agree susie it was very misleading because you then wonder why Nevill didnt use the panic button and that becomes yet another unanswerable question when really its a red herring. We were then left with an explanation that the rellies believe Nevill was trying to access something else which for some reason is top secret. Why would anything be so secret? It all happened almost thirty years ago and the murderer is locked up forever so what can possibly still be such a secret ?

[lookout]

 Was a panic button mentioned during the trial.?

[susan]

Maggie I thought that Vidvic said the rellies believed Ralph was trying to reach the panic button and was unable because of his injuries they believed this because of where he was found must have been quite near to the panic button as it is now but did not exist then.  All so confusing. It is obvious to me the reliies must have forgotton when the panic button was installed age plays tricks on the mind.  Maggie when I came on the forum at first hartley another friend I assume of the family talked of the panic button.

[susan]

Morning lookout  I don't think it must have been as Caroline was insisting Vidvic gave her proof of its existence and she was told she would have to take his word for it had it been mentioned at Trial he would have known about it.

[Jane]

Morning lookout  I don't think it must have been as Caroline was insisting Vidvic gave her proof of its existence and she was told she would have to take his word for it had it been mentioned at Trial he would have known about it.

I would like to think that Vic believed what he said. I hope/ believe he is too honorable to lie to us.

[lookout]

Morning lookout  I don't think it must have been as Caroline was insisting Vidvic gave her proof of its existence and she was told she would have to take his word for it had it been mentioned at Trial he would have known about it.

Morning Susan,,,it looks bad on the relatives if they've been insistant about a panic-button being there and Neville not being able to get at it. That in itself puts Jeremy in the frame as him being the perpetrator by restraining his father in such a way that he couldn't summon help.
So it would be made obvious to everyone that indeed a panic-button had been installed.
Was it installed afterwards to look as though it had been there all the time.?