Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985

[maggie]

Maggie, there was a plethora of murderous activity all around the same time, give or take a year or two. Apart from WHF, there was Jimmy and Augusta, and Wilfred and Patsy. You may imagine that the village was agog, everyone wondering what or WHO would be next.

Hi April, I have read this in Peter Healey's book, Rough Justice he also claims Wilfred Bull, Jimmy Bell and Nevill Bamber were once all friends.  How about Italian Tony, do you know about him?

[Jane]

Hi April, I have read this in Peter Healey's book, Rough Justice he also claims Wilfred Bull, Jimmy Bell and Nevill Bamber were once all friends.  How about Italian Tony, do you know about him?

Friends could be stretching it Maggie, but they were all businessmen, members of the same lodge? and local. I've heard the name Italian Tony but have no idea who he was. I believe him to have been mixed up with people who were connected with London gang members.

[tyler]

Regarding ECT treatment,a friend of mine was receiving this in the late nineties.She has manic depression. After treatment,she would be given a cup of tea and sent on her way. She never became vacant or staring or whatever steve suggests,she was just a little tired for the rest of the day and perfectly fine thereafter.

[lookout]

Hi April, I have read this in Peter Healey's book, Rough Justice he also claims Wilfred Bull, Jimmy Bell and Nevill Bamber were once all friends.  How about Italian Tony, do you know about him?

Wilfred Bull was imprisoned for shooting his wife.He was sent to Belmarsh. They had an antique shop in Coggleshall. This happened in 1986.

[Jane]

Regarding ECT treatment,a friend of mine was receiving this in the late nineties.She has manic depression. After treatment,she would be given a cup of tea and sent on her way. She never became vacant or staring or whatever steve suggests,she was just a little tired for the rest of the day and perfectly fine thereafter.

Tyler, my mother's sister had it and was always strange and not always with us, however a friends brother had it and it appeared to work wonders for him.

[maggie]

Friends could be stretching it Maggie, but they were all businessmen, members of the same lodge? and local. I've heard the name Italian Tony but have no idea who he was. I believe him to have been mixed up with people who were connected with London gang members.

You are right April, he was shot dead in London I think.

[maggie]

Wilfred Bull was imprisoned for shooting his wife.He was sent to Belmarsh. They had an antique shop in Coggleshall. This happened in 1986.

Hi Lookout at first he claimed his wife was shot by a burglar.  They all seem pretty trigger happy in your area April  ....do you own a gun??

[Caroline R]

It is so unfortunate that the relatives of the Bamber family not only found the silencer, which had been overlooked by the EP, but also discovered the scratch-marks - those equally overlooked by EP AND had fingered some of Sheila´s blood from the knickers and the bucket.
I am not saying they did ANYTHING, but this scenario is wide open to speculation, especially since they gained quite a bit financially.
I will never understand why the silencer was regarded as solid evidence.

Exactly my thoughts Alias - just the 'potential' makes the silencer evidence unsafe. I spoke to a forensic science grad who told me that - back then they would only have checked the blood type for a match to one/all of the victims and not the 'origin'.

[Jane]

Hi Lookout at first he claimed his wife was shot by a burglar.  They all seem pretty trigger happy in your area April  ....do you own a gun??

Maggie, it was such a volatile union that it was always only a question of which one got to the other first.

[Caroline R]

Regarding ECT treatment,a friend of mine was receiving this in the late nineties.She has manic depression. After treatment,she would be given a cup of tea and sent on her way. She never became vacant or staring or whatever steve suggests,she was just a little tired for the rest of the day and perfectly fine thereafter.

Hi Tyler, Steve's concept seems more akin to the treatment received by McMurphy in 'One Fly Over The Cuckoo's Nest'  But I still maintain that Sheila did not receive ECT treatment (hope this isn't another panic button type debate  )

[maggie]

Hi Tyler, Steve's concept seems more akin to the treatment received by McMurphy in 'One Fly Over The Cuckoo's Nest'  But I still maintain that Sheila did not receive ECT treatment (hope this isn't another panic button type debate  )

Yes, maybe Steve is thinking about a lobotomy not ECT treatment which was generally very effective for suffers of depression. 
We used to have an elderly woman who used to request it every so often.  She always came back happy and smiling and stayed that way for months till she gradually returned to a low mood.

[Steve_uk]

Sorry,but DI Wilkinson cycled the route in 6 minutes.http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/bicycle

[Jane]

Sorry,but DI Wilkinson cycled the route in 6 minutes.http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/bicycle

Presumably in broad daylight and sans wetsuit.

[maggie]

Sorry,but DI Wilkinson cycled the route in 6 minutes.http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/bicycle

This route included riding on the road in daylight.  It's a totally different story riding country footpaths in the pitch black without lights on an old boneshaker.

[lookout]

Hi Lookout at first he claimed his wife was shot by a burglar.  They all seem pretty trigger happy in your area April  ....do you own a gun??

He only got 15 months for murdering his wife.? He also dealt in Rhino horn and was charged with that as well,so it ran concurrently with his already murder charge. Nice man,eh.?
I wonder if Neville was attending that little charge.?