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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #165 on: June 16, 2013, 03:15:AM »
I agree tyler and Susie, it used to be that university students were campaigners for human rights. 
There are many, many causes a serious minded Criminology Student could be involved with and  I also fail to understand the point of campaigning for something which has already happened and which we are repeatedly being told is 'dead in the water'.

I should have thought maybe the Simon Hall case would be of great interest to a student of criminology as the forensics of that case are interesting and it is at the moment awaiting a verdict from the CCRC. However I do respect your right to choose your subject of interest.

Jeremy Bamber is in prison for life, for ever, no parole ever to be granted in the eyes of the law as it stands......what's the point of even considering it?  Surely there are far more worthy causes for a young man to give his energies to?
An unbelievably naive and biased thing to say maggie. Are you seriously suggesting that because a person is at university that they should automatically believe that Bamber is innocent? We are not fools maggie and have a mind of our own, just because it does not conform to your own theories does not make them any less valid.

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #166 on: June 16, 2013, 08:48:AM »
Tyler I'd have thought that would have been obvious. I believe Bamber to be guilty and therefore would - like anyone else who believes the same thing - to challenge the evidence and arguments of those that think otherwise. Just like you have done; copiously.

OK Daniel, do you mind if I ask you a few questions about the crime scene evidence? 

1, Were there any fiber evidence that belonged to Jeremy found in the main bedroom?

2, Were there any fiber evidence that belonged to Jeremy found anywhere at the crime?

3, Were there any fingerprints that belonged to Jeremy on the inside and outside windows of WHF?

4, Were there any hair evidence that belonged to Jeremy found on any of the victims or anywhere else at WHF?

I will answer my own questions, because there are none and if there are none then how do you suppose he was there, when there is no forensic evidence to put him there?  Sorry, that was a sneaky likkle question at the end of that... ;)

Oh and lets not forget the silencer....that was found several days later, placed in the vicinity of the crime scene, chucked in the back of the boot alongside other guns, handled by various people, placed into a bag, then placed into a kitchen towel holder with a surviving hair that was finally lost in transit...oh and inside the silencer MAY HAVE HAD Sheila's DNA inside of it.  Not very conclusive is it?

So what have we got then Daniel as regards forensic evidence, not a lot is there?

I tell you what we have got....We have amended documents as well as incomplete ones and sheer incompetence of a police force handling a crime scene, whether they believed it to murder/suicide or not and lets not forget the gross misconduct of destroying evidence in 1996.....  I didn't make up that up Daniel it is the truth and none of it is hearsay or from a novel...

Hello btw :)

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #167 on: June 16, 2013, 08:59:AM »
And what do we have.? An ex-cop starring in Big Brother,,courtesy of Essex police. Ahem.!

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #168 on: June 16, 2013, 09:11:AM »
An unbelievably naive and biased thing to say maggie. Are you seriously suggesting that because a person is at university that they should automatically believe that Bamber is innocent? We are not fools maggie and have a mind of our own, just because it does not conform to your own theories does not make them any less valid.
Good morning Daniel. That is not at all what I was saying Daniel. It seems yiu have completely misunderstood my post.

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #169 on: June 16, 2013, 09:13:AM »
Morning Patti

what an excellent post. Daniel did say he was here to learn and this is the right place for him to do that. ;D

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #170 on: June 16, 2013, 09:43:AM »
Morning all  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm on my 18th day.... :o :o :o :o :o


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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #171 on: June 16, 2013, 09:46:AM »
Morning all  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm on my 18th day.... :o :o :o :o :o
Congratulations Patti !!!!!! You are well on your way!!!!! Dont give in now ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #172 on: June 16, 2013, 09:59:AM »
Patti keep it up well done ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #173 on: June 16, 2013, 09:59:AM »
Morning all  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm on my 18th day.... :o :o :o :o :o


Patti, well done you!!!! May I suggest that you save, for the first month, the money you would have spent, and use it to buy yourself something fabulous. I did that and bought, from an antiques fair, a beautiful piece of jewellery.

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« Reply #174 on: June 16, 2013, 10:00:AM »
Congratulations Patti !!!!!! You are well on your way!!!!! Dont give in now ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thank you Maggie.. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #175 on: June 16, 2013, 10:11:AM »
Patti keep it up well done ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thank you Susan  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


Patti, well done you!!!! May I suggest that you save, for the first month, the money you would have spent, and use it to buy yourself something fabulous. I did that and bought, from an antiques fair, a beautiful piece of jewellery.
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A day away?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D or a week at Maggie's... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #176 on: June 16, 2013, 10:16:AM »
Thank you Susan  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


Patti, well done you!!!! May I suggest that you save, for the first month, the money you would have spent, and use it to buy yourself something fabulous. I did that and bought, from an antiques fair, a beautiful piece of jewellery.
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A day away?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D or a week at Maggie's... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Lovely Patti, what ever turns you on!!! After a month, you will have earned it :D

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #177 on: June 16, 2013, 10:32:AM »
That's rather nitpicking:Julie was reluctant to go to the Police because of the criminal matters hanging over her head and wondering whether it would affect her career as a teacher. Compared to the offences which are the subject of this thread they were trivial.

Exactly, so why didn't she go to the police? Was she that selfish that she would put herself before justice for 5 human beings? Or was she simply a cold hearted, jealous woman seeking revenge on someone who she had set her sights on but who she would never have? I'll go with the, latter!!

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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #178 on: June 16, 2013, 10:36:AM »
Exactly, so why didn't she go to the police? Was she that selfish that she would put herself before justice for 5 human beings? Or was she simply a cold hearted, jealous woman seeking revenge on someone who she had set her sights on but who she would never have? I'll go with the, latter!!
I'll go with you Caroline.  I think that is a very poor excuse by steve as he clutches at straws because there is NO excuse for Julie Mugfords behaviour, whichever way you look at it.
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Re: Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985
« Reply #179 on: June 16, 2013, 10:42:AM »
At that one moment perhaps but it doesn't really tally with Mike's post that Julie didn't go to the Police of her own accord.

It does tally with Mike's because we are both saying that when she was jilted she started bad mouthing him, hinting that he killed his family. Possibly the story started small but then grew until she out right accused him and she was forced into going to the police NOT because she felt guilty, but because she had no choice. Her story had gone too far and as she had already lost Jeremy, she didn't want to lose face!!