Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985

[Alias]

Don't you notice a change in Jeremy's demeanour with that fixed,stolid stare at camera after his arrest? I have not said he is a psychopath and will have to check april1's assertion that it's synonymous with a sociopath. But I do see the resolute,determined intent in Jeremy's face in later photos.

I think you put too much into those photos. You don´t know how you would react with and accusation like that and camras stuck in your face at every opportunity.
Take Julie, whom we all know you hold in the highest regard; look at press photos of her leaving or arriving at court. She looks like a cold and hard young ladyin those pictures, almost with a sneer on her face and evilly squinted eyes. You wouldn´t use those pictures to character assess HER, would you?

[Caroline R]

Don't you notice a change in Jeremy's demeanour with that fixed,stolid stare at camera after his arrest? I have not said he is a psychopath and will have to check april1's assertion that it's synonymous with a sociopath. But I do see the resolute,determined intent in Jeremy's face in later photos.

The fixed stare is 'defiance' Steve!! Defiance at being dragged through the courts because his relatives and his ex girlfriend turned against him leaving him to face the prospect of being convicted of something he hadn't done. I'd be sporting a similar look in similar circumstances!!

[Steve_uk]

I've just watched NaNu's tape where Barbara Wilson is interviewed(the first time I've seen her in the flesh) saying how pleased Jeremy seemed in the aftermath of the murders. I also recall at trial Jeremy had to defend his putting his feet up on Nevill's desk. Of course by that stage the hard work had been done. All this tallies with what Julie had to say(don't you think her mother looked a bit like Edwina Currie).

[maggie]

I think you put too much into those photos. You don´t know how you would react with and accusation like that and camras stuck in your face at every opportunity.
Take Julie, whom we all know you hold in the highest regard; look at press photos of her leaving or arriving at court. She looks like a cold and hard young ladyin those pictures, almost with a sneer on her face and evilly squinted eyes. You wouldn´t use those pictures to character assess HER, would you?

Gosh Alias, that is scary, it certainly proves your point.

[Steve_uk]

Julie's resolute expression encapsulates it all: it's a devilish of a business but it has to be endured.

[Alias]

Gosh Alias, that is scary, it certainly proves your point.

 

Steve, Jeremy was on medication after the deaths. What Barbara Wilson is describing is a medicated Jeremy. Can´t put too much into that either - his demeanor and reactions would have been tainted by pills designed to make you feel happy and numb.

[Jane]

Julie's resolute expression encapsulates it all: it's a devilish of a business but it has to be endured.

Would that be resolute in her determination to get revenge, Steve?

[maggie]

Steve, Jeremy was on medication after the deaths. What Barbara Wilson is describing is a medicated Jeremy. Can´t put too much into that either - his demeanor and reactions would have been tainted by pills designed to make you feel happy and numb.

Exactly Alias.  He was prescribed Valium by the doctor and has admitted to also drinking alcohol and smoking cannabis....pretty lethal combination and guaranteed to make you float a few feet above the ground.  Valium and alcohol together can cause hallucinations.  No wonder his behaviour was odd at times.

[Caroline R]

I've just watched NaNu's tape where Barbara Wilson is interviewed(the first time I've seen her in the flesh) saying how pleased Jeremy seemed in the aftermath of the murders. I also recall at trial Jeremy had to defend his putting his feet up on Nevill's desk. Of course by that stage the hard work had been done. All this tallies with what Julie had to say(don't you think her mother looked a bit like Edwina Currie).

Which one is Barbara Wilson in?

[Steve_uk]

Exactly Alias.  He was prescribed Valium by the doctor and has admitted to also drinking alcohol and smoking cannabis....pretty lethal combination and guaranteed to make you float a few feet above the ground.  Valium and alcohol together can cause hallucinations.  No wonder his behaviour was odd at times.

You mean ripping up the photograph of the twins at the Maida Vale flat he'd inherited as a direct result of their and their mother's death,the simulating sex with Brett as a divertissement for the security services,and the peddling of one topless photograph of Sheila whilst her model portfolio had been similarly destroyed.

[maggie]

You mean ripping up the photograph of the twins at the Maida Vale flat he'd inherited as a direct result of their and their mother's death,the simulating sex with Brett as a divertissement for the security services,and the peddling of one topless photograph of Sheila whilst her model portfolio had been similarly destroyed.

Steve in which book did you read this unsubstantiated sensationalism?   

[Jane]

I've just watched NaNu's tape where Barbara Wilson is interviewed(the first time I've seen her in the flesh) saying how pleased Jeremy seemed in the aftermath of the murders. I also recall at trial Jeremy had to defend his putting his feet up on Nevill's desk. Of course by that stage the hard work had been done. All this tallies with what Julie had to say(don't you think her mother looked a bit like Edwina Currie).

It comes to something when all the prosecution could find as evidence against him was the accusation that he put his feet up on his own desk.

[killingeve]

Steve, Jeremy was on medication after the deaths. What Barbara Wilson is describing is a medicated Jeremy. Can´t put too much into that either - his demeanor and reactions would have been tainted by pills designed to make you feel happy and numb.

Hi Alias

I've read on here that at one stage BW held JB in high regard?  I believe she provided a wit stat but it isn't in the archives?  Was she actually a prosecution witness?  According to Wilkes book SJ gets worried as BW starts getting erratic pre-trial?

[Caroline R]

You mean ripping up the photograph of the twins at the Maida Vale flat he'd inherited as a direct result of their and their mother's death,the simulating sex with Brett as a divertissement for the security services,and the peddling of one topless photograph of Sheila whilst her model portfolio had been similarly destroyed.

How do you know Jeremy tore up the photograph? And it has never been proven that he tried to sell those pictures - indeed had he tried, the NOTW would have made sure they had evidence of the fact but strangely, it's another accusation without any stuffing!

[Steve_uk]

Caroline go to Operational Schedules thread:it's NaNu's #13 the first youtube clip.