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Offline mike tesko

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Operational schedules

Key moments

Zone A

03:35am -
03:36am -
03:37am -
03:38am -
03:42am -
03:45am -
03:48am - Occupants of CA07 arrive at the scene
03:52am - Jeremy Bamber arrives at the scene
04:02am - Person seen moving around in upstairs bedroom, PC Myall refers to this person as an unidentified male

Zone B (Overlap 04:02am - 05:00am, Zone AB)

05:00am - PS Adams an his team arrive at the scene
05:25am - firearms officers engaged in conversation with a person from inside the farmhouse

Zone C (Overlap 05:25am - 06:00am, Zone BC)

06:00am - two ambulances summoned to attend the scene
06:30am -

Zone D (Overlap 06:30am - 07:00am, Zone CD)

07:00am - PI Montgomery and his team arrive at the scene
07:15am - WPC Julia Jeapes, spots rifle leaning against bedroom window (using scope of her weapon)
07:30am - raid team compromising of six firearms officers preparing to force entry into premises

Zone E (Overlap 07:30am - 07:37am, Zone DE) 2 bodies downstairs / not yet been upstairs to check

07:37am - body of one dead male, and body of one dead female, found upon entry
07:38am - one dead male, one dead female
07:42am -
07:45am - a murder, and a suicide
07:48am -

Zone F (Overlap 07:48am - 08:10am, Zone EF) 2 bodies downstairs / 3 bodies upstairs

08:10am - after a thorough search, a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total
08:15am - DCS Harris, DCI Gibbons, PI Montgomery, enter premises,, Harris on phone to ACC Simpson
08:30am - Sheila now upstairs, body on bed, one wound on neck

Zone G (Overlap 08:30am - 08:44am, Zone FG) 1 body downstairs / 4 bodies upstairs

08:44am - Dr Craig confirms Sheila as being dead,, with only a solitary wound to neck by that stage
09:00am - Training officers arrive at scene to carry out a training exercise with bodies insitu

Zone H (Overlap 09:00am - 09:10am, Zone GH) 1 body downstairs / 4 bodies upstairs

09:10am - arrival of DCI Jones,and DC Clark at scene (DCI Jones unaware anyone had been shot)
09:30am - arrival of Coroners officer, PC Wright at scene
Zone I (Overlap 09:30am - 10:00am, Zone HI) 1 body downstairs / 4 bodies upstairs

10:00am - SOC take control of crimes scenes within the farmhouse
11:10am - PS Peter Woodcock removes rifle from Sheila's body, and makes weapon safe
11:15am - Training exercise completed
« Last Edit: June 14, 2013, 09:18:PM by mike tesko »
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Who was Mick Gradwell,Mike.?

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Who was Mick Gradwell,Mike.?

Mick Gradwell, a former detective chief superintendent with Lancashire police...
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Zone E (Overlap 07:30am - 07:37am, Zone DE) 2 bodies downstairs / not yet been upstairs to check

07:37am - body of one dead male, and body of one dead female, found upon entry
07:38am - one dead male, one dead female
07:42am -
07:45am - a murder, and a suicide
07:48am -

Zone F (Overlap 07:48am - 08:10am, Zone EF) 2 bodies downstairs / 3 bodies upstairs

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DCI 'Terry Gibbons, was responsible for instructing the occupants of CA07 to relay information from the scene to the control room...
« Last Edit: June 14, 2013, 10:56:PM by mike tesko »
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What most people are not aware of, is that DCI 'Terry' Gibbons, was at the heart of the cover up,  involving the plan to make out that two bodies, had never been found downstairs at all, because as we all now know, it was 'Terry'Gibbons, who relayed the details coming from within the farmhouse at around 7:37am, to the effect that the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, had been found upon entry by the raid team, Gibbons instructed the occupants of CA07 to relay this information to the control room, which is precisely what took place. In a nutshell, one of the most experienced detectives in Essex police at that time (Gibbons) believed what he was overhearing when raid team members reported that upon entry, firstly they had discovered the body of one dead male, and secondly, the discovery of the body of a dead female. The occupants of CA07 also believed what the DCI was telling them to report to the control room, so the bigger picture is beginning to emerge, as to what was in the minds of all these officers at the material time - two bodies found upon entry, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female...

Later...

Gibbons must have been privy to information coming from within the farmhouse, that one of the two bodies, was being treated as a murder, whilst the other body was being talked about in terms of a suicide - Gibbons relayed what he was told to the occupants of CA07, who in turn passed on the information to the control room, which resulted in a civilian employee working in the control room, a lady by the christian name of 'Linda', who contacted DS Neil Davidson, at home at around 7.45am, requesting him to come into the office, because police were dealing with an incident at whf, involving a murder, and a suicide...

Now...

I could go on and on about how this information which was being relayed by the occupants of CA07 to the control room, through the mind, body and soul of DCI 'Terry'Gibbons, which can only mean that he was caught up deep in the mire-like operation, which at just after 8:10am that morning  started to go pear-shaped, but at the present time, it serves no purpose because in the contents of the message logs, and in his own witness statement, it is clear that he did attend the scene at the time these anomolies crop up concerning the placement of bodies, downstairs, and upstairs, at various stages of the proceedings...

So, why then once the nature of the investigation changed, from SC/688/85, to SC/786/85, was an attempt made by all and sundry to try and conceal the presence of DCI 'Terry' Gibbons at the scene at all...

Why did this attempt to try and conceal his presence inside the farmhouse, at a time when the body of a female became displaced from downstairs to upstairs, which just so happens to coincide with the non-disclosure of the various message logs which detail the discovery of two bodies upon entry, one the body of a male, and the other, the body of a female, one death categorised as a murder, the other described as a suicide...

Think about it...

« Last Edit: June 14, 2013, 11:35:PM by mike tesko »
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Here is an extract from a confidential police report, where DCI Gibbons attendance at the scene is being thrown into doubt - as though he was never called out to attend...
« Last Edit: June 14, 2013, 11:41:PM by mike tesko »
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Everywhere you look, once the nature of the investigation changed from being one of four murders and a suicide (SC/688/85), into five murders (SC/786/85), Steps were being taken to try and extract DCI 'Terry'Gibbons from the inevitable mire, concerning the original presence of Sheila's body, downstairs upon entry - here is another entry extracted from a confidential report:-

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Gibbons was not the only senior officer who was rescued from the mire of an operation, since DCI Wright the firearms Commander in chief was also in attendance, but seemingly played no role at all in any part of the proceedings. Another senior officer worth mentioning who has also disappeared into the background was / is DCI Frost...

and, Sergeant "Z"...
« Last Edit: June 15, 2013, 01:38:PM by mike tesko »
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03:48am - Occupants of CA07 arrive at the scene
03:52am - Jeremy Bamber arrives at the scene
Bonnett logged CA07 as arriving at 0348, but other police documents give 0348 as the time when the police car overtook Jeremy's car, and 0350 as the time when the police arrived at the farm (with Jeremy arriving a minute or two afterwards). After Jeremy's car was overtaken, car CA07 should have been able to reach the farm in under two minutes, and Jeremy would have taken about 3 1/2 minutes.

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Bonnett logged CA07 as arriving at 0348, but other police documents give 0348 as the time when the police car overtook Jeremy's car, and 0350 as the time when the police arrived at the farm (with Jeremy arriving a minute or two afterwards). After Jeremy's car was overtaken, car CA07 should have been able to reach the farm in under two minutes, and Jeremy would have taken about 3 1/2 minutes.
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Re: Operational schedules - key moments of investigation at scene...
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2013, 01:41:PM »
We have not yet heard why the occupants of CA05, and CA06, were deployed to the scene - for example, whether they were deployed because of Ralph Bambers call (3:26am) to police, or Jeremys later call (3:36am)...
« Last Edit: June 15, 2013, 01:54:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Operational schedules - key moments of investigation at scene...
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2013, 09:35:AM »
Mick Grad well
We all remember him from MWT doc on the new evidence,I quote him -all the evidence points to Jeremy being guilty-
What evidence Mick? Phone loges incident logs DNA witheld statement's psychology reports on JB,
Q why did MWT allow him to make such a unqualified statement on prime time tv

http://ricosorda.blogspot.be/2013/03/will-mick-gradwell-turn-up-to-committee.html

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Re: Operational schedules - key moments of investigation at scene...
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2013, 09:41:AM »
Mick Grad well
We all remember him from MWT doc on the new evidence,I quote him -all the evidence points to Jeremy being guilty-
What evidence Mick? Phone loges incident logs DNA witheld statement's psychology reports on JB,
Q why did MWT allow him to make such a unqualified statement on prime time tv

http://ricosorda.blogspot.be/2013/03/will-mick-gradwell-turn-up-to-committee.html





Yes,,the guy who for some reason denied there had been any murders at Jersey during the scandal.!

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Re: Operational schedules - key moments of investigation at scene...
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2013, 03:01:PM »
Who was Mick Gradwell,Mike.?

Hi Lookout

I understand you now know who he is but I'm just posting the following for general interest on the forum:

Mike Gradwell featured in last year's ITV docu at 11.26, 13.03, 19.25 and highlights many inconsistencies etc and yet at 22.50 declares JB to have been a cold blooded calculated killer  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo

Here he is again in a Guardian Vid at 6.40 highlighting inconsistences.  This vid was produced before the above

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPRd912xv9M

I cannot tell you how put out I am that those that have been capable of influencing the direction of the case in any sort of professional capacity are nearly all male as you will see from the above  >:( >:( >:(  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Why? Off the top of my head the only females that spring to mind are WPC Jeapes, Glynnis Howard and author of Murder at WHF, Claire Powell.  So we end up having a controversial case decided on almost exclusively by males and lacking from female perspective.  I'm not a raving feminist on the contrary but I'm not happy with the above at all.

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Re: Operational schedules - key moments of investigation at scene...
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2013, 05:29:PM »
Possible others: WPc Susan Dixon (3115) and WPc Alison Bourne (3220), the second being a firearms officer.