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Re: Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?
« Reply #240 on: May 12, 2013, 01:31:AM »
I'm not really falling into this whole debate too deeply because it seems a bit flawed to me, but even if it was Sheila's palm print (If it even is a palm print) - it proves nothing. What's to say Bamber didn't do it using Sheilas hand after the first shot, to show she moved after that first shot and was capable of firing the second.

But then again - for this to be Sheila's palm print you have to ignore and bend over evidence.

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« Reply #241 on: May 12, 2013, 01:35:AM »
Yes, based on what I believed Vic had been told by people who would know, but that's hardly the same thing, is it.

It's exactly the same thing! NGB already confirmed that Hammersley wasn't there, I'm sure he was told that by people who would know -  where's the difference? However, I am sure he will clarify if this is a misconception.

Well, I'm all Bambered out so will say goodnight!!  :)

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« Reply #242 on: May 12, 2013, 01:42:AM »
It's exactly the same thing! NGB already confirmed that Hammersley wasn't there, I'm sure he was told that by people who would know -  where's the difference? However, I am sure he will clarify if this is a misconception.

Well, I'm all Bambered out so will say goodnight!!  :)

The difference is that whilst the family were in a position to know about the panic alarm, NGB has not been told anything by anyone who was in a first hand position to say whether or not Hammersley was there. He may or may not be reading a COLP report which may or may not conclude that Hammersley was at the farm on 7th August. One thing is for sure, he's not reading anything that Bamber hasn't read, and if Bamber had had confirmation that Hammersley was not there on the 7th and had made statements asserting not only that he was, but also as to Sheila's hands and feet being 'clean' at the time, Bamber would have gone to very newspaper on the planet.
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« Reply #243 on: May 12, 2013, 01:46:AM »
The difference is that whilst the family were in a position to know about the panic alarm, NGB has not been told anything by anyone who was in a first hand position to say whether or not Hammersley was there. He may or may not be reading a COLP report which may or may not conclude that Hammersley was at the farm on 7th August. One thing is for sure, he's not reading anything that Bamber hasn't read, and if Bamber had had confirmation that Hammersley was not there on the 7th and had made statements asserting not only that he was, but also as to Sheila's hands and feet being 'clean' at the time, Bamber would have gone to very newspaper on the planet.

Well, that's your opinion anyway. But you're right, the family were in a position to know about the PB and yet, didn't seem to - opps no, it was a mistake wasn't it. It's just there seem to be so many!

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« Reply #244 on: May 12, 2013, 01:47:AM »
Well, that's your opinion anyway. But you're right, the family were in a position to know about the PB and yet, didn't seem to - opps no, it was a mistake wasn't it. It's just there seem to be so many!

It wasn't their mistake, as Vic has admitted.
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« Reply #245 on: May 12, 2013, 01:50:AM »
It wasn't their mistake, as Vic has admitted.

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« Reply #246 on: May 12, 2013, 01:51:AM »
Well, that's your opinion anyway. But you're right, the family were in a position to know about the PB and yet, didn't seem to - opps no, it was a mistake wasn't it. It's just there seem to be so many!

Where has vic said that it was the family who were mistaken? I don't remember seeing Vic explain how he got confused or where it came from.

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« Reply #248 on: May 12, 2013, 01:52:AM »
Where has vic said that it was the family who were mistaken? I don't remember seeing Vic explain how he got confused or where it came from.

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« Reply #251 on: May 12, 2013, 01:57:AM »
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However (one last word  ;D ;D ;D) I'd say this was quite specific and no Vic hasn't explained why something as specific as this turned out to be 'his' mistake!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4170.msg171609.html#msg171609

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« Reply #252 on: May 12, 2013, 02:03:AM »
However (one last word  ;D ;D ;D) I'd say this was quite specific and no Vic hasn't explained why something as specific as this turned out to be 'his' mistake!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4170.msg171609.html#msg171609

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Vic won't explain it because to do so would betray a confidence. I don't think it would betray a confidence though, if I say that Vic conflated two issues. The relatives believe that Neville was trying to reach something (which I'm not going to mention), Vic conflated that with the panic button issue.

It was the relatives who pointed out his mistake.
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« Reply #253 on: May 12, 2013, 02:29:AM »
Vic won't explain it because to do so would betray a confidence. I don't think it would betray a confidence though, if I say that Vic conflated two issues. The relatives believe that Neville was trying to reach something (which I'm not going to mention), Vic conflated that with the panic button issue.

It was the relatives who pointed out his mistake.

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Re: Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?
« Reply #254 on: May 12, 2013, 07:33:AM »
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