Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[Bridget]

In Scott Lomax's Trial and Error,,he states that Vanezis had said that there was blood on her hand/s,,to which the defence had only recently discovered,,so such information wasn't presented at the trial.
Therefore the blood on Sheilas' hand/s explains the finger-marks on the bible.

Forget Scott Lomax and read Vanezis' own report.

[lookout]

Forget Scott Lomax and read Vanezis' own report.

Why are there so many conflicting reports.? That in itself proves the trial was a sham for starters. On the photo of Sheila,,on this thread,,you can see that there's blood on her right hand.

I was reading ealier about how the womans' hands were cleaned------------------then swabbed.! It beggars belief that this can happen,,then hey presto,the report said that no lead was detected. Am I missing something,,or was it that nobody knew their " aris " from their elbow.?

[Bridget]

Why are there so many conflicting reports.? That in itself proves the trial was a sham for starters. On the photo of Sheila,,on this thread,,you can see that there's blood on her right hand.

I was reading ealier about how the womans' hands were cleaned------------------then swabbed.! It beggars belief that this can happen,,then hey presto,the report said that no lead was detected. Am I missing something,,or was it that nobody knew their " aris " from their elbow.?

Well I kind if share your frustration there, but I think it's because we are often working from snippets and incomplete documents or sets of documents so it's a bit like trying to reconstruct the Mona Lisa through a letterbox.

Firstly, the fact that he says the palms and fingers were free from blood does not mean that she didn't have blood on the back of her hand (we know she did, we can see it) although I agree that it would have been better if he'd clarified that.

Secondly, in the extract in the Lomax book he describes the mark on the nightie as a "bloodstained palm print" (according to Lomax), does it look like a palm print to you?

I think what Lomax has quoted is notes made during the PM, which he then used to compile his report dated 30th September. I'd like to see those notes in full.

[Caroline R]

If you mean Vanezis he didn't mention blood on either of her hands, in fact he says that neither the palms or the fingers were contaminated with blood. He stated that the blood on the nightie appeared to have transferred from her right wrist.

Looking at Sheila's right hand, you can see blood on the ball part of her thumb and there is what looks like black marks on the back of her hand. This hand is anything but clean.

[Bridget]

Looking at Sheila's right hand, you can see blood on the ball part of her thumb and there is what looks like black marks on the back of her hand. This hand is anything but clean.

What he said was that the palms and fingers were not contaminated with blood, he does not say that the hand (generally) was clean.

[Bridget]

He also says that There was substantial blood staining to Neville's right hand, and that both of June's hands were bloodstained.

[lookout]

What he said was that the palms and fingers were not contaminated with blood, he does not say that the hand (generally) was clean.

Sheila had wiped her hand down her nightie because you can see the imprint of her fingers. Though I can't see the hand being thoroughly cleansed of blood with just a wipe,,so it would have been left stained

[Bridget]

Sheila had wiped her hand down her nightie because you can see the imprint of her fingers. Though I can't see the hand being thoroughly cleansed of blood with just a wipe,,so it would have been left stained

Well exactly, and it wasn't so she didn't. Vanezis opinion was that the marks on the nightie had transferred from her wrist, presumably at least in part because that was where the blood was.

[Alias]

I get more and more angry that a man has spent 28 years of his life behind bars on the basis of this MESS of an investigation!

[susan]

Alias it appears to be one heck of a mess so many conflicting reports etc he would not be convicted today on the evidence he was then.

[Alias]

OK, this is the best I can do. The angles of the photographs are different, but if you can compensate for that in your mind, I think it is pretty obvious that this fits beautifully like a jig zaw puzzle.

[Roch]

OK, this is the best I can do. The angles of the photographs are different, but if you can compensate for that in your mind, I think it is pretty obvious that this fits beautifully like a jig zaw puzzle.

Startling.  As for Vanezis... I wonder if he was made aware of the 'palm' print on the bible? Perhaps if he had been, his wrist transfer observation / theory might not exist?

[Caroline R]

He also says that There was substantial blood staining to Neville's right hand, and that both of June's hands were bloodstained.

Don't know what was on them when he saw Sheila's hands but in the picture you can see she has blood on the ball of her thumb.

[Caroline R]

OK, this is the best I can do. The angles of the photographs are different, but if you can compensate for that in your mind, I think it is pretty obvious that this fits beautifully like a jig zaw puzzle.

Well done Alias, that's good enough for me!!

[Bridget]

Don't know what was on them when he saw Sheila's hands but in the picture you can see she has blood on the ball of her thumb.

That is hardly an area that could be called her palm though is it? In fact to me the ball of the thumb is the fleshy part inside the hand, a part of the palm, all we can see in these photos is the edge of her thumb at best.