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Offline petey

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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2013, 12:24:AM »
Why? Evidently the jury didn't hear everything and 2 of them thought he was innocent. I'd hardly call that cut and dried Vic.

A crucial point to be made which I'm sure many people on this forum and in general society are not clear on is   "It should be understood that it is NOT the function of this court to decide whether or not the jury was right in reaching its verdicts."

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2013, 12:37:AM »
Why? Evidently the jury didn't hear everything and 2 of them thought he was innocent. I'd hardly call that cut and dried Vic.

If Liverpool won 10-2 every week, I'd be well happy...

Everyone's got it wrong Caroline?

The jury, 2 Appeals, the CCRC, everyone.

Everyone is telling lies except Bamber, except for when he does, it doesn't matter. And when Tesko tells lies, he's just getting mixed up....

But don't worry, Tesko will get him out! "Cometh the hour....."

Apparently he's got a photo to blow open the case......

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2013, 12:40:AM »
If Liverpool won 10-2 every week, I'd be well happy...


Carragher would be fuming to concede so many goals!

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2013, 01:03:AM »
If Liverpool won 10-2 every week, I'd be well happy...

Everyone's got it wrong Caroline?

The jury, 2 Appeals, the CCRC, everyone.

Everyone is telling lies except Bamber, except for when he does, it doesn't matter. And when Tesko tells lies, he's just getting mixed up....

But don't worry, Tesko will get him out! "Cometh the hour....."

Apparently he's got a photo to blow open the case......

Well, someone's freedom doesn't count on the result of a football game, your second point can be levelled at quite a few people but I wouldn't go as far as to say everyone. However, just for the record, I rarely mention Mike in my posts and I don't agree with everything Mike says just as I'm sure, he won't always agree with me.
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Re: 2002 appeal judgement...
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2013, 07:13:AM »
I'd just like to say, that maybe some die tell tall stories, due to bad press and media coverage, it is possible and we have to bare that in mind.

Yes it was 10-2 majority, but the court were concerned about one particular member of jury falling asleep or having his eyes closed and held a meeting in court about it.  The other concerning thing is when Jeremy was giving evidence the judge noticed that the jury were being distracted by the certain members in the court  that were discussing what Jeremy was saying, they were removed from court whilst Jeremy gave the rest of his evidence.  :-\ :-\

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2013, 07:17:AM »
Mike Tesko will do whatever it takes to get Jeremy released from his ordeal at the hands of the devils and demons that put him there. The judgement from the appeal (2002) demonstrates that the demons who call themselves judges of appeal, are out of touch with reality, since how can they possibly know what material, information or evidence might have effected the minds of jurors. The demonic judgement talks in riddles, says one thing one moment, then says something completely opposite the next. They choose parts of the defence submissions given at the hearing which suit thier purpose and wash over or completely ignore things which werhe and are relevant, things which would clearly have affected the outcome of the trial and verdict of the jury - these judges of appeal are not gods, they are demons, they cannot read or know how the minds of a jury, either individually, or collectively would have been effected, they don't half come up with some crap in some of the stuff they say, or have come out with, but when you have bias in your intention you cannot possible hope to be impartial - they twist everything to make it fit thier intention and purpose. I will have a great deal more to say on the contents of this judgement once I post the full (typed) presentations made to the court of appeal in 2002, We will then be in a perfect position to pull the aforementioned bias judgement to pieces once and for all, and put to bed all the nonsense contained within the bias judgement itself, and cause people to think long and hard about what really took place at the time of the shootings, at the time of Bambers arrests, at the time of the first investigation (SC/688/85) and the second investigation (SC/786/85), at the time of the trial (October 1986), and the culmative effect of all the admissible evidence that was deliberately withheld, and continues to be withheld...
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2013, 07:24:AM »
So why do you think the defence didnt bring any of these possible points to the appeal?

As I understand it Vidvic it would have been difficult to introduce potential contamination of the silencer at appeal.  I believe this should have happened at trial and was a fatal mistake by JB's defence.

With regard to the other points I have no idea.  The US tends to be much further ahead than the UK in these areas.  I'm sure if the trial/appeal had have been in the US you would have seen more made of it.  Seems crazy to me that Michael Turner QC went off on some wild goose chase endeavouring to have passages from the bible interpreted in attempt to discover what was going on in SC's mind and ignores attachment disorder/adoption psychology/reunion with birth mother. 

If the case gets back to appeal I would like to see some female legal representation eg Helena Kennedy QC and I'm sure you might see a different emphasis  :)

If I could see that these points had been put to the jury and JB was found guilty I would probably think the conviction is sound  :)

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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2013, 07:30:AM »
The withholding of crucial evidence by police and DPP changed and altered the defence approach at trial (1986) and appeal (2002), how can demonic appeal judges say that this did not have any bearing or influence on the prosecutions case, or verdict of the jury - they are all barmpots, who will and do say anything providing it might support thier bias intentions or point of view...
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2013, 07:38:AM »
I see no-one mentioned Ralph Bambers phone call timed at 3:26am to police, where he makes reference to "his daughter having got hold of one of my guns", that is because that phone log did not appear until years later, which caused the jury not to know about its existence in 1986, and for it not to be mentioned during the 2002 appeal, either in ghe defence presentations to the court, or judgement...

There you go - corruption in action, welcome to the real world where the devils and demons operate in favour of trying to make the Stateand its various agencies look like good guys and gals. .

What a joke this criminal justice system here in the UK is...
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2013, 07:44:AM »
If Liverpool won 10-2 every week, I'd be well happy...

Everyone's got it wrong Caroline?

The jury, 2 Appeals, the CCRC, everyone.


Everyone is telling lies except Bamber, except for when he does, it doesn't matter. And when Tesko tells lies, he's just getting mixed up....

But don't worry, Tesko will get him out! "Cometh the hour....."

Apparently he's got a photo to blow open the case......

Yes I believe so. 

I draw parallels with the financial crisis and take on board Lord Turner's (former FSA Chairman) comments:

"I think we - as the authorities, central banks, regulators, those involved today - are the inheritors of a 50-year-long, large intellectual policy mistake"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9934819/Adair-Turner-Bankers-no-longer-in-denial.html

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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2013, 08:41:AM »
I see no-one mentioned Ralph Bambers phone call timed at 3:26am to police, where he makes reference to "his daughter having got hold of one of my guns", that is because that phone log did not appear until years later, which caused the jury not to know about its existence in 1986, and for it not to be mentioned during the 2002 appeal, either in ghe defence presentations to the court, or judgement...

There you go - corruption in action, welcome to the real world where the devils and demons operate in favour of trying to make the Stateand its various agencies look like good guys and gals. .

What a joke this criminal justice system here in the UK is...

Classic Tesko Torrets.  Take one phone call which didnt happen, ignore all evidence it didnt happen, then lie that it wasn't at trial and then base conclusion on all of the above.....

Did you know bamber in 1988?

How many times did you get sent to prison in that period?

Were they both miscarriages of justice?

Did the demons 'fit you up' both times?
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Re: 2002 appeal judgement...
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2013, 09:50:AM »
Carragher would be fuming to concede so many goals!
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2013, 10:13:AM »
Why? Evidently the jury didn't hear everything and 2 of them thought he was innocent. I'd hardly call that cut and dried Vic.

One thing the jury didn't hear was the evidence of Martyn Ismail (paras 514 - 520)
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2013, 10:16:AM »
I'd just like to say, that maybe some die tell tall stories, due to bad press and media coverage, it is possible and we have to bare that in mind.

Yes it was 10-2 majority, but the court were concerned about one particular member of jury falling asleep or having his eyes closed and held a meeting in court about it.  The other concerning thing is when Jeremy was giving evidence the judge noticed that the jury were being distracted by the certain members in the court  that were discussing what Jeremy was saying, they were removed from court whilst Jeremy gave the rest of his evidence.  :-\ :-\

Right late for work... :) :) :) :)



Imagine being removed from court.That's Jeremy Kyle territory,not Jeremy Bamber.How shameful,,and what a distraction.

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2013, 12:32:PM »


Robert Boutflour was removed also from the trial.