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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #750 on: May 24, 2013, 07:24:PM »


Alias/Susan, sounds like it might be "nil points" all round then ;D

It must be tough on Steve, we so rarely agree with anything he says; but then again, he chooses himself to hang around here talking about loins; and he calls MY posts pornographic!  :o

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« Reply #751 on: May 24, 2013, 07:29:PM »
Alias when I skim read steve's post and saw the word loins I was in a state of shock and went all of a dither and had to close my eyes and could go no further ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #752 on: May 24, 2013, 07:30:PM »
It must be tough on Steve, we so rarely agree with anything he says; but then again, he chooses himself to hang around here talking about loins; and he calls MY posts pornographic!  :o


Alias, we have loin of pork and loin of beef but loin of MAN!!!!!!!! WOWEEEEEEEE ;D ;D ;D

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #753 on: May 24, 2013, 07:31:PM »
Ladies, I am laughing out loud!

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #754 on: May 24, 2013, 07:36:PM »
Alias I am doubled up with laughter never thought loins could bring me so much happiness ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #755 on: May 24, 2013, 07:38:PM »
Hello april  don't forget loin chops I will never eat them again ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #756 on: May 24, 2013, 07:39:PM »
Alias/Susan :'( ;D :'( ;D :'( ;D :'( ;D :'( ;D :'( ;D :'( ;D (tears of laughter, in case you're wondering)

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« Reply #757 on: May 24, 2013, 07:41:PM »
I'm going to have to read what Steve's written. I had him down as an Edwardian/Victorian Music Hall artist-----------------------but now more Lautrec.

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #758 on: May 24, 2013, 07:43:PM »
I need a drink soon, those "loins" are hard to shake....

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #759 on: May 24, 2013, 07:44:PM »
lookout ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #760 on: May 24, 2013, 07:45:PM »
I'm going to have to read what Steve's written. I had him down as an Edwardian/Victorian Music Hall artist-----------------------but now more Lautrec.


Lookout, I think Henri Marie Raymond de Toulouse has more of a ring to it than Steve.

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #761 on: May 24, 2013, 07:46:PM »
Alias  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #762 on: May 24, 2013, 07:46:PM »
By the way Steve the reference to the "yapping" dog was because Daniel said in his senario that Jeremy "crept" into the twins bedroom. I mentioned the yapping dog Crispy to demonstrate that as soon as someone tried to enter the house the dog would have started yapping, therefore putting the logic of his senario in peril. Not only do we have yappy old Crispy indoors, but also the bigger guard dog in the shed outside. So quite frankly I doubt that senarion.

By the way the reason that Bamber supporters do not have a fixed senario in their minds is not because they cannot think of one. It is because unlike many of those who think Jeremy to be guilty they are slow to jump to any conclusions as they believe there are far too anomalies with the case. Therefore they are acting in a wise way so that all the evidence can be taken into consideration.

Personally I can see arguments for both sides. But also believe that there is so much evidence missing in the puzzle that I cannot consider a senario and to be frank I cannot see how many of the guilty camp can do so. But of course they can't really. They just do it to make us think that they are looking at things logically. But in reality they are only guessing at the senario.

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« Reply #763 on: May 24, 2013, 07:49:PM »
If you think a man with a mission he has been planning for a year is going to be thwarted by a yapping dog you are much mistaken. He couldn't shoot it because it's not a woman's thing and the whole episode had to be blamed on Sheila. Ann Eaton says in her statement that the kitchen window was sometimes left open as a cat flap so that may explain Jeremy's entrance and egress. He may in any case have been fixing the window to open and close with a tap for months by scraping the catch with a hacksaw blade,and when the finger of suspicion turned on him after the murders he made sure that any future forensic evidence would be contaminated by entering the property himself by that means as a subterfuge on 16th August.

We don't know for sure the whereabouts of Sheila except that she was exhausted most of the time with the side-effects from Haloperidol as Colin's letter tells us when she couldn't get out of bed sometimes in the morning to take the twins to school. It's indications like these which leads me to believe that Jeremy thought he was putting a sick girl out of her misery,as well as freeing up Colin to start a new life without the children:we know that at the party Jeremy told him that the twins were "a millstone round your neck" and had quizzed Sheila on the exact days she was going to be present at the Farm. Jeremy probably scrutinized her routine on the Sunday and Monday night and realized that Sheila spent a lot of time in her own room and would not be likely to enter her sons' bedroom at night. The murders necessitated Sheila being removed from her room though which is why Jeremy led his sister by the hand like a lamb to the slaughter under the pretext that June needed her for a Bible class. I doubt that he would need to threaten her in any way as she would already be in a peaceful state and certainly looked that way in death,as any threats might be counterproductive and lead to complications.

After the murders it's quite possible Jeremy was in a state of euphoria induced by the cocktail of drugs which were necessitated in girding his loins in the first place to carry out the murders,hence the telephone calls to Julie as well as getting the Police involved as he thought he could deceive,corroborated by the "I should have been an actor" remark to Julie whilst they were alone for a moment that first morning at Goldhanger. Jeremy was sustained throughout this period by cannabis which he brought back from Amsterdam,and Julie said he was increasingly reliant on cannabis that last year and got moody without it. The tampon in the living room is interesting because according to Ann Eaton it had been cut with scissors to make it small enough to clean the silencer,and here we have Jeremy's black sense of humour asserting itself as it's Sheila's own appurtenances which Jeremy uses in an attempt to abrogate any suspicion that he was involved in the crimes.
This is precisely the kind of thing I am talking about. Pure speculation.

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #764 on: May 24, 2013, 07:52:PM »
By the way Steve the reference to the "yapping" dog was because Daniel said in his senario that Jeremy "crept" into the twins bedroom. I mentioned the yapping dog Crispy to demonstrate that as soon as someone tried to enter the house the dog would have started yapping, therefore putting the logic of his senario in peril. Not only do we have yappy old Crispy indoors, but also the bigger guard dog in the shed outside. So quite frankly I doubt that senarion.

By the way the reason that Bamber supporters do not have a fixed senario in their minds is not because they cannot think of one. It is because unlike many of those who think Jeremy to be guilty they are slow to jump to any conclusions as they believe there are far too anomalies with the case. Therefore they are acting in a wise way so that all the evidence can be taken into consideration.

Personally I can see arguments for both sides. But also believe that there is so much evidence missing in the puzzle that I cannot consider a senario and to be frank I cannot see how many of the guilty camp can do so. But of course they can't really. They just do it to make us think that they are looking at things logically. But in reality they are only guessing at the senario.
Jeremy had the strength and the weaponry to fight off his victims one by one if necessary. It's as simple as that. After the murders he was cheerful,though in interviews with Police tried to pass this off as manic depression. He would be far more believable almost twenty-eight years on if he said "I disliked my relatives but I didn't kill them",but instead we have this unconvincing eulogy and the pacing up and down in the cell with Nevill's "it will all come out in the wash" hanging over the scene.

It's distressing,and not convincing anyone.