"All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"

[Daniel_day]

So the guy who has shown no previous signs of violence throughout his life is SO hatefilled of his entire family that he is capable of orchestrating their slaughter to make it appear as if one of them has done it, yet has spent 28 yrs behind bars where 27 psychologists/psychiatrists have failed to find any trace of deviance in him, has taken, and passed God know how many lie detector tests and tests to test whether he is using tricks to fool the tests, and passed them with flying colours, and he poses so little threat to anyone that the authorities see fit to downgrade his status but he must be guilty because his sister lacked coordination. I don't think so, Steve.

April, I am intrigues  by the repeated suggestions that he has been tested numerous times. Why may I ask would someone be tested this amount of times? Have you seen all the reports?
I also understand that an eminent psychologist brought in by the defense also thought he was a textbook case.
Yes Sheila was extremely uncoordinated. This has been mentioned numerous times by relatives who actually SAW her in the time leading up to her death. An uncoordinated, 9 stone woman is highly unlikely to be the culprit of this crime April. However, a fit, young man in the prime of his life definitely is - you can see why people have such a hard time believing Sheila's culpability.

[Bridget]

April, I am intrigues  by the repeated suggestions that he has been tested numerous times. Why may I ask would someone be tested this amount of times? Have you seen all the reports?
I also understand that an eminent psychologist brought in by the defense also thought he was a textbook case.
Yes Sheila was extremely uncoordinated. This has been mentioned numerous times by relatives who actually SAW her in the time leading up to her death. An uncoordinated, 9 stone woman is highly unlikely to be the culprit of this crime April. However, a fit, young man in the prime of his life definitely is - you can see why people have such a hard time believing Sheila's culpability.

This is something I've wondered also. The fact that there are apparently 27 reports suggests to me that he has an annual assessment. Out of those 27 assessments we have only been treated to a couple of paragraphs which appear to declare him not a psychopath. However, if the rest of the reports are equally supportive why not make then available in full, so that the comments can be seen in context?

[Caroline R]

Correct. It was a suggestion by RB which was investigated and discounted by the police. Steve mentions it sometimes but to use the words of roch, he ploughs his own furrow.

Sometimes Bridget? Sometimes?  :D

[Bridget]

Sometimes Bridget? Sometimes?  :D

Ok, a lot lol

[Caroline R]

Ok, a lot lol

 

[tyler]

Bridget,if JB had been deemed a psychopath,surely he would be detained in a hospital such as Broadmoor or Rampton rather than in a conventional prison?

[tyler]

Actually,the relatives had NOT seen Sheila in the run up to the murders. They were unaware of how ill she actually was and told Colin that if they had known they would have offered help.

[maggie]

Daniel Jeremy Bamber would be routinely tested for pdychopathy as he's a category A prisoner not because of any suspiscion of him personally. You cannot tell a pdychpath by looking at a person, also he passed a lie detector test Psychopaths cannot take a polygraph test because they dont have any of the appropriate reactions needed for such a test and it would be abandoned.

[Bridget]

Bridget,if JB had been deemed a psychopath,surely he would be detained in a hospital such as Broadmoor or Rampton rather than in a conventional prison?

Why? You or I could be a psychopath without even knowing it.

[Caroline R]

April, I am intrigues  by the repeated suggestions that he has been tested numerous times. Why may I ask would someone be tested this amount of times? Have you seen all the reports?
I also understand that an eminent psychologist brought in by the defense also thought he was a textbook case.
Yes Sheila was extremely uncoordinated. This has been mentioned numerous times by relatives who actually SAW her in the time leading up to her death. An uncoordinated, 9 stone woman is highly unlikely to be the culprit of this crime April. However, a fit, young man in the prime of his life definitely is - you can see why people have such a hard time believing Sheila's culpability.

The relatives didn't see much of Sheila before the deaths and didn't know much about her illness. Sheila had prepared food for the twins party with Colin just days before she died, there is no mention of her coordination being a problem. Indeed, Colin states that they had a good afternoon. Things changed in the evening at the party when she became quiet and withdrawn and seemed to maintain this behaviour up until the night of 6th August. Several people (other than Jeremy) confirm this.

[Jane]

April, I am intrigues  by the repeated suggestions that he has been tested numerous times. Why may I ask would someone be tested this amount of times? Have you seen all the reports?
I also understand that an eminent psychologist brought in by the defense also thought he was a textbook case.
Yes Sheila was extremely uncoordinated. This has been mentioned numerous times by relatives who actually SAW her in the time leading up to her death. An uncoordinated, 9 stone woman is highly unlikely to be the culprit of this crime April. However, a fit, young man in the prime of his life definitely is - you can see why people have such a hard time believing Sheila's culpability.

Daniel, I have NO idea why it is that Jeremy has been tested so many times. I haven't seen the reports but as you may guess, I would very much like to. So one psychologist out of so many says he is a classic psychopath. Whilst he may stand out as being the one psychologist out of 20+ to label him so, it doesn't actually MAKE him so...........IMO.

As to the relatives who actually saw Sheila in the time leading up to her death, I think you will find that if you read their statements/letters you may find that there are none that actually did. The last time that Sheila had visited the farm was during the September of the previous year when she had come out of the psych. clinic after her first breakdown. She was expected to visit that Christmas but her mental health had again started to deteriorate, possibly this is what Ferguson had meant when he said her long term prognosis was not good, and she stayed in London. Re her relationship with her cousin, AE, you will learn much from her witness statement. She seeems to have spent much time avoiding having to be in Sheila's company/speaking to her. It doesn't take a relationship expert to work out that they had nothing in common. All in all, it would seem that the last time Sheila was witnessed by a family member NOT putting beans on toast would have been very much earlier than her last visit. However, in juxta position with this cackhanded mother is the model who could apply her own makeup. Eye liner, false lashes, lip liner, nail polish all take dexterity.

They wraith you describe her as being may not have been able to commit these crimes, but if you take on board the possibility of the top exploding off a bottle full of years of repressed anger and frustration/psychotic episode with voices directing her actions, the wraith becomes a virago.

[susan]

Morning april

how are you today.  Whilst I know nothing at all about psychopaths I know that you have studied this subject in depth and have many years of experience relating to this subject and therefore I will always accept your explanations on matters other than somebody less experienced than your goodself.  Keep up the good work I have learnt so much from your posts since I joined the forum

[Jane]

Morning april

how are you today.  Whilst I know nothing at all about psychopaths I know that you have studied this subject in depth and have many years of experience relating to this subject and therefore I will always accept your explanations on matters other than somebody less experienced than your goodself.  Keep up the good work I have learnt so much from your posts since I joined the forum

Mwah, Mwah, Mwah Susan dear, you are a treasure and very kind. Whilst psychology can only offer possibilities, not absolutes, there are only so many possibilities, so I guess it stands to reason that an answer has to be in there somewhere :D :D

[Patti]

April, I am intrigues  by the repeated suggestions that he has been tested numerous times. Why may I ask would someone be tested this amount of times? Have you seen all the reports?
I also understand that an eminent psychologist brought in by the defense also thought he was a textbook case.
Yes Sheila was extremely uncoordinated. This has been mentioned numerous times by relatives who actually SAW her in the time leading up to her death. An uncoordinated, 9 stone woman is highly unlikely to be the culprit of this crime April. However, a fit, young man in the prime of his life definitely is - you can see why people have such a hard time believing Sheila's culpability.

Hi Daniel

I think its part of prison routine to have health checks on a yearly basis and part of that is being accessed for mental health problems and Jeremy has never been diagnosed as being a psychopath.  This might be the case that you don't want to believe this, but it is fact. 

However, psychopaths are very cunning, charming and controlling (The Three C's) and they study normal behavior in order to put that behavior into their own personality.  But, on saying that 2 out 10 people in the workforce have psychopathy. You don't need to be a killer to have this trait.  It might be worth reading Kevin Dutton's book a psychologist from Oxford University.

Sheila did have problems with co-ordination this is documented, but it is also documented that this was caused by medication and was rectified.  If Sheila had problems with co-ordination and she could not put beans on toast or pour a cup of tea, she would not be able to apply mascara to her eyes or paint her nails. 

[susan]

Morning Patti

very good points made about psychopaths. Some people have traits of a  psychopath and don't even know it or indeed acknowledge them.  I would have thought after all the tests Jeremy had one of them would have been right.  I read from some posters that Jeremy was a vain arrogant young man without any signs of being a kind individual then in another sentence they say he was a psychopath