Ive not been able to post much recently as when i log on the forum freezes a bit better tonight so i guess its heave forum activity, im not here to defend mike because he does not need me to do so , but i will say this vic does not speak or represent the relatives, what i think of them i will keep to myself, the fact that they occupy WHF tells me bundles yet so many members to me are too blind to see it , its starting to have structure all this.