Super hero, Batman, backs Bamber freedom bid...

[mike tesko]

SPOOK:-

"Obviously, the accidental shooting of Sheila under the chin whilst officers were  pranking around in the bedroom with Sheila's body on the bed, and the rifle, was of major concern to the senior officers at the scene, and elsewhere (ACCSimpson)...

[Bridget]

The Bamber is guilty brigade, kept saying the guns barrel as shown in the above crime scene photogeaphs was not in  different different pisitions on her body and neck. They keot saying that it had something to do with angles and perspective that the said photographs were taken - yet it took a comic book hero and a broomstick to rattle thier cages and expose the lies they have been spreading about the restaging of Sheila's body with the gun in different positions, as confirmed by the fundings in the 1988 Barrett and 1993 COLP Reports...

So...

Nobody touched anything, or moved  anything, the gun wasn't in different positions on the body, or against the  neck - police just restaged the crime scene...

On the contrary, your pictures prove the point I was making, the broomstick is clearly nowhere near his neck.

[Roch]

On the contrary, your pictures prove the point I was making, the broomstick is clearly nowhere near his neck.

When I tried your broom experiment, I could not position the broom so that it was flush with my neck.  Nevertheless, I absolutely do not agree / believe that differences in angle / perspective of photography can explain the differences in respect of the (horizontal) height of the rifle upon her body. Vertical re the neck issue - possibly yes.  Horizontal - no.

[Bridget]

When I tried your broom experiment, I could not position the broom so that it was flush with my neck.  Nevertheless, I absolutely do not agree / believe that differences in angle / perspective of photography can explain the differences in respect of the (horizontal) height of the rifle upon her body. Vertical re the neck issue - possibly yes.  Horizontally - no.

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree then

[Alias]

In my view, the rifle has been moved inbetween photographs. In fact, it is clear as day. I admit that the angle can trick you, but the shadow from the tip of the rifle in the middle picture gives it away: there is a distance from the tip to Sheila´s body. On the bottom picture, you can see the tip is resting directly on her neck (and is further up on her towards the neck.)

That said - why do we need the humorous approach to this? It comes across as mocking of poor Sheila in her tragic death. I love, love the bat pictures, they are so funny, and you can tell you both had a lot of fun with it, but at least I don´t really like to see this paired with the graphic pictures of Sheila. Sorry Mike, it was so funny, and then, well. 

[Bridget]

In my view, the rifle has been moved inbetween photographs. In fact, it is clear as day. I admit that the angle can trick you, but the shadow from the tip of the rifle in the middle picture gives it away: there is a distance from the tip to Sheila´s body. On the bottom picture, you can see the tip is resting directly on her neck (and is further up on her towards the neck.)

That said - why do we need the humorous approach to this? It comes across as mocking of poor Sheila in her tragic death. I love, love the bat pictures, they are so funny, and you can tell you both had a lot of fun with it, but at least I don´t really like to see this paired with the graphic pictures of Sheila. Sorry Mike, it was so funny, and then, well. 

Hi Alias,

If you try laying any straight object on your body so that it is on top of your legs and then across the right side of your chest as the gun is in that picture you will find that it is completely impossible for the tip to rest on your neck.

(Bridget - I have removed the picture of Sheila due to a complaint from Vic yesterday asking that pictures of Sheila be removed from this thread given the 'comic' references. If people wish to understand the point you are making they can refer to the link you have provided below - cheers .

[mike tesko]

Compare 3rd photograph in reply 42 in this thread, against the above image - the Bamber is guilty at all costs gang want us to believe that the position of the guns barrell is in exactly the same position in both crime scene photographs. They are trying to convince everyone that police did not restage the scene of Sheila before dodgy PC Bird took photographs. Yet, if you look closely enough and apply due diligence you can see straight away that the nightdress has been adjusted, and in particular the shape and size of the bloodstain in that part of the arm / nightdress, is completely different. Now, in order to adjust the nightdress resting beneath the rifle, the police had to first of all have to remove the rifle in question, adjust the nightdress, and replace the rifle back on the body with its barrell resting against her neck, whereas previously it had not been...

[mike tesko]

If you rest the rifle on a slightly raised right leg, it pushes the barrell so that it is flush with the neck, as shown in the photographs, 1 and 3, in reply 42 in this thread...

[Roch]

Compare 3rd photograph in reply 42 in this thread, against the above image - the Bamber is guilty at all costs gang want us to believe that the position of the guns barrell is in exactly the same position in both crime scene photographs. They are trying to convince everyone that police did not restage the scene of Sheila before dodgy PC Bird took photographs. Yet, if you look closely enough and apply due diligence you can see straight away that the nightdress has been adjusted, and in particular the shape and size of the bloodstain in that part of the arm / nightdress, is completely different. Now, in order to adjust the nightdress resting beneath the rifle, the police had to first of all have to remove the rifle in question, adjust the nightdress, and replace the rifle back on the body with its barrell resting against her neck, whereas previously it had not been...

I've always had difficulty in comparing the differences in staining that you suggest.  I don't want to encourage further repeated images of Sheila being posted up, but is there any way of imaging the stain / nightdress differences (to help with comparison and avoid having to post up the photos)? While I agree with you that the moving of the rifle is blatant, there are other pointers that I have used to come to that decision.

[Bridget]

This has all been done to death before:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3005.msg111175.html#msg111175

[lookout]

The rifle had been " placed " upon her body,,as anyone who shoots themselves,doesn't show" perfection" in such a way,particularly if there was blow-back of the rifle.
To my mind,,she'd have to have already been close to death before the second shot,,,though even then,the positioning is still wrong IMHO.

[mike tesko]

Batman photo"s with broom handle establishes that end of rifles barrell cannot rest against neck in correct perspective, unless rifle is positioned on slightly raised rigjt leg...

Mystery resolved - police restaged Sheila's body, took pictures after they restaged her body, and used these photographs to hoodwink the jury into thinking Jeremy had staged the scene, thus...

[mike tesko]

The findings of the original (1988) Barrett, and the (1993) COLP Reports, confirm what can be seen in the photographs, involving  the restaging of Sheila's body, adjustment of her nightdress, repositioning of the rifle on her body, and the taking of a variety of photographs before restaging took place, during restage, and after restage - the defence and jury only got to see ones taken after restaging had been completed, severely affecting any prospect of Jeremy Bamber ever receiving a fair trial...

[mike tesko]

There came a time, when a group of some of the most experienced Essex detectives were all huddled over and around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, immediately after she had been shot under the chin...

[mike tesko]

There came a time, when a group of some of the most experienced Essex detectives were all huddled over and around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, immediately after she had been shot under the chin...

There they all were, DCI HARRIS, DCI JONES, DCI GIBBONS, DCI CLARKE,  DI COOK, PI MILLER, PI MONRGOMERY, and PS WOODCOCK, all gathered in a huddle, whilst DCI JONES used a broom handle to demonstrate exactly how it could be argued that the second shot under the chin could be put forward as having occurred as a result of recoil, where both shots had been inflicted by the same semi automatic weapon...