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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #810 on: May 04, 2013, 10:55:PM »
Errrr, how did he know she had them?
They were an item for nearly two years Caroline and if Julie had had a bad day at school she would have discussed this with Jeremy and her need for some tablets from the doctor to help her sleep.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #811 on: May 04, 2013, 11:01:PM »

The only proof we do have,is that of Sheila and her " acute " paranoid schizophrenia,,,which I believe that 40 to 60% of such patients,,commit suicide.

Unless such patients are kept under control with their medication,,,they are dangerous people.
But Nevill had always calmed her down in the past(without Jeremy's help)and I can't believe the docile,vacant state Sheila was in was compatible with the bashing Nevill received. Far more likely with Sheila in such a compliant state she was led to her death like a lamb to the slaughter whether you believe it was Jeremy or an accomplice as was raised again recently.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #812 on: May 04, 2013, 11:03:PM »
All that is true lookout and nobody is arguing that Sheila wasn't a sick young woman. But there's a difference between banging fists and head on the wall however frightening that may appear to the untrained observer and physically harming others by picking up a gun,firing 25 rounds during which she has to keep running up and downstairs to the ammunition cache,defeating Nevill in a struggle,shooting herself once in the kitchen then evading Police before proceeding upstairs where the story continues in other veins depending on your point of view.


Even if there'd been no guns in the house,,kitchen knives would have been used,,,except that Neville would probably have grappled it from her,,but even so,,not before doing harm of sorts.
Sheila didn't want to go to WHF the day Colin dropped her and the twins off,,,so she'd probably already made up her mind that the end was coming for all of them. She'd clearly had enough of the tortured life that was her existance.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #813 on: May 04, 2013, 11:07:PM »
But Nevill had always calmed her down in the past(without Jeremy's help)and I can't believe the docile,vacant state Sheila was in was compatible with the bashing Nevill received. Far more likely with Sheila in such a compliant state she was led to her death like a lamb to the slaughter whether you believe it was Jeremy or an accomplice as was raised again recently.


Steve,,how easy is it to bash someone when they're looking down the barrel of a gun.? Sheila had the upper hand,not Neville. I don't doubt that Neville made a few moves to try and retrieve the rifle,,but warning shots held him back anyway,,and June was also powerless as she bore the brunt of the worst outburst of fire.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #814 on: May 04, 2013, 11:12:PM »
But Nevill had always calmed her down in the past(without Jeremy's help)and I can't believe the docile,vacant state Sheila was in was compatible with the bashing Nevill received. Far more likely with Sheila in such a compliant state she was led to her death like a lamb to the slaughter whether you believe it was Jeremy or an accomplice as was raised again recently.
Steve her docile withdrawn state is typical warning that a psychotic episode is imminent. You refuse to accept this but it is fact.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #815 on: May 04, 2013, 11:15:PM »
But Nevill had always calmed her down in the past(without Jeremy's help)and I can't believe the docile,vacant state Sheila was in was compatible with the bashing Nevill received. Far more likely with Sheila in such a compliant state she was led to her death like a lamb to the slaughter whether you believe it was Jeremy or an accomplice as was raised again recently.


I would imagine that Neville tried to contact Jeremy in the earlier stages of the outburst,but was beaten back with further threats. Nevilles' final call was sadly in vain.
Sheila would not have been docile,,,vacant perhaps,because she'd have been mixed up as to " who she was ".
It was logged that when the police were inside the farmhouse,,that one of them heard a noise upstairs,,so they started using sign language amid whispering as they made their way upstairs.
What was the noise that they'd heard,,,and why the need to whisper orders.?

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #816 on: May 04, 2013, 11:16:PM »
Steve her docile withdrawn state is typical warning that a psychotic episode is imminent. You refuse to accept this but it is fact.


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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #817 on: May 04, 2013, 11:19:PM »

Even if there'd been no guns in the house,,kitchen knives would have been used,,,except that Neville would probably have grappled it from her,,but even so,,not before doing harm of sorts.
Sheila didn't want to go to WHF the day Colin dropped her and the twins off,,,so she'd probably already made up her mind that the end was coming for all of them. She'd clearly had enough of the tortured life that was her existance.
She was tired like many of us,all the more so for Sheila because her medication made her drowsy. She was tired on the Saturday night and asked to be taken home from the party early,she was tired during the journey to White House Farm and she had the added responsibility of the twins and the effort of keeping up appearances of a happy family in front of her parents which was for the most part beyond her. She didn't single her family out for some kind of special nasty treatment because in the store in Tiptree on Tuesday afternoon she was described by the shopkeeper as "vacant" which was her natural state under the influence of her medication.

We can argue about kitchen knives but suffice to say there was never any evidence she had used these implements in the past.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #818 on: May 04, 2013, 11:20:PM »

Steve,,how easy is it to bash someone when they're looking down the barrel of a gun.? Sheila had the upper hand,not Neville. I don't doubt that Neville made a few moves to try and retrieve the rifle,,but warning shots held him back anyway,,and June was also powerless as she bore the brunt of the worst outburst of fire.
She just didn't have the physical power to do it..

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #819 on: May 04, 2013, 11:23:PM »
Steve her docile withdrawn state is typical warning that a psychotic episode is imminent. You refuse to accept this but it is fact.
No it's a side-effect of the Electroconvulsive Therapy which facilities such as St. Andrews' may well have offered. Strangely enough Jeremy referred to it in his statement and although it was copied down wrongly by the civilian Police it was evident what was meant. So we have a situation where Sheila may well have been given ECT and Jeremy was aware of it.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #820 on: May 04, 2013, 11:25:PM »
They were an item for nearly two years Caroline and if Julie had had a bad day at school she would have discussed this with Jeremy and her need for some tablets from the doctor to help her sleep.

And she brings sleeping tablets to the house of a man who stated he was planning to drug is family with sleeping pills before killing them. I have to say that your loyalty is admirable but completely misplaced.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #821 on: May 04, 2013, 11:26:PM »

I would imagine that Neville tried to contact Jeremy in the earlier stages of the outburst,but was beaten back with further threats. Nevilles' final call was sadly in vain.
Sheila would not have been docile,,,vacant perhaps,because she'd have been mixed up as to " who she was ".
It was logged that when the police were inside the farmhouse,,that one of them heard a noise upstairs,,so they started using sign language amid whispering as they made their way upstairs.
What was the noise that they'd heard,,,and why the need to whisper orders.?
That would mean Nevill leaving his wife and grandchildren alone upstairs defenceless which he would never have done. As for the Police,why on earth would they be in possession of a silencer to the anschutz rifle which allegedly discharged by accident and killed Sheila?

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #822 on: May 04, 2013, 11:29:PM »
No it's a side-effect of the Electroconvulsive Therapy which facilities such as St. Andrews' may well have offered. Strangely enough Jeremy referred to it in his statement and although it was copied down wrongly by the civilian Police it was evident what was meant. So we have a situation where Sheila may well have been given ECT and Jeremy was aware of it.

She didn't have ECT t all - it was June who had it, it's in one of the statements! Jeremy was simply mixed up.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #823 on: May 04, 2013, 11:30:PM »
And she brings sleeping tablets to the house of a man who stated he was planning to drug is family with sleeping pills before killing them. I have to say that your loyalty is admirable but completely misplaced.
But the burning down the house plan had been abandoned and I assume Julie put it all to the back of her mind and got on with her busy life again.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #824 on: May 04, 2013, 11:30:PM »
No it's a side-effect of the Electroconvulsive Therapy which facilities such as St. Andrews' may well have offered. Strangely enough Jeremy referred to it in his statement and although it was copied down wrongly by the civilian Police it was evident what was meant. So we have a situation where Sheila may well have been given ECT and Jeremy was aware of it.


Steve,,Sheila didn't have ECT at the hospital,or at all,,as it's given to patients with severe depression such as June had when she suffered a breakdown.