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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #450 on: April 30, 2013, 08:40:PM »




Dear Steve,,,you should have been a politician. Why.? Because you evaded my questions.
The someone speaks is down to their environment and it really shouldn't be an issue in a murder investigation. Yes,,Jeremy spoke differently,,but that's all part and parcel of being well-bred,,and there are a lot of people who don't like that for some unknown reason. Possibly their ignorance.
There is plenty to link Sheila to the crimes,,but nothing to link Jeremy,,except the way he spoke.
I've answered your#431 fully because DCI Taff Jones was frightened of provoking a young man with a posh accent which might have resulted in a complaint to his superiors and that calamity of losing your job in the Thatcher era which kept everyone conforming to the accepted norm.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #451 on: April 30, 2013, 09:26:PM »
I notice you never say just family when it comes to Jeremy or Sheila. Jeremy doesn´t really have two families - he never med any of his birth relatives, and Sheila only met her birth mother briefly.
Personally I prefer the term, family without the adopted - it seems to imply some sort of wedge existing at all times.

Yes I would say the way closed adoptions were engineered in the baby scoop era ensured that a wedge existed.  Good explanation.

My view is that many believed JB was capable of killing his family as they were not his 'real' family.  By many I mean the jury, police, media etc.  When I said he lost his adoptive family in my post I was trying to emphasise that this would be a 'loss'.


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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #452 on: April 30, 2013, 09:32:PM »
Alias/Mat/Vic.......and Maggie who knows about my circumstances. I'm always delighted to hear about successful adoptions. In a perfect world they would all be successful but sadly that's not the case. Mat, you ask what my personal feelings are based on. The answer to that is personal experience. There are huge parallels between my life pattern and that of Jeremy and Sheila and I certainly know what it feels like not to fit.

It wouldn't have been unreasonable for the Bambers to expect that the children they adopted would blend in in such a way that no demarcation line was discernable but it  seems it may not have worked out like that. We do know that Sheila, if her letter is to be believed,was desperate for June's approval and I feel certain that, if RB's diary is anything to go by, farming was not a natural vocation for Jeremy.

I'd like to say something about what Ann has said of Sheila. I've had it pointed out to me that it was a witness statement, not a memoir, but whilst she has nothing positive to say of her, she does say that when Sheila visited for lunch, all she wanted to do was talk and how she was too busy to listen. She gives the impression that she had no common ground with Sheila.

I haven't pulled these thoughts out of the ether. I've based them in part on my own experiences and in part from what has been said by the family. Undoubtedly, some of you will feel that I've misinterpreted what I've read.

PS. Should have included Bridget in the above. Apologies.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #453 on: April 30, 2013, 09:37:PM »
So it's appropriate for you, because that is the way you perceive their relationships. It's telling then that neither JB or Sheila referred to their family that way.

You've got some answering to do...straight up I've had for dinner: liver, mashed potato, cabbage and gravy and I swear its referring to you as Miss Bridget has made me feel all nostalgic  ;D ;D ;D

See Dr F's wit stat:

"In fact when I refer to Sheila's parents I mean her adopted parents"  (Should read 'adoptive')

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1199.0.html


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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #454 on: April 30, 2013, 09:41:PM »
Alias/Mat/Vic.......and Maggie who knows about my circumstances. I'm always delighted to hear about successful adoptions. In a perfect world they would all be successful but sadly that's not the case. Mat, you ask what my personal feelings are based on. The answer to that is personal experience. There are huge parallels between my life pattern and that of Jeremy and Sheila and I certainly know what it feels like not to fit.

It wouldn't have been unreasonable for the Bambers to expect that the children they adopted would blend in in such a way that no demarcation line was discernable but it  seems it may not have worked out like that. We do know that Sheila, if her letter is to be believed,was desperate for June's approval and I feel certain that, if RB's diary is anything to go by, farming was not a natural vocation for Jeremy.

I'd like to say something about what Ann has said of Sheila. I've had it pointed out to me that it was a witness statement, not a memoir, but whilst she has nothing positive to say of her, she does say that when Sheila visited for lunch, all she wanted to do was talk and how she was too busy to listen. She gives the impression that she had no common ground with Sheila.

I haven't pulled these thoughts out of the ether. I've based them in part on my own experiences and in part from what has been said by the family. Undoubtedly, some of you will feel that I've misinterpreted what I've read.

April 100%.  Of course non-adoptees are not going to understand adoption psychology why would they?  How could they?

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #455 on: April 30, 2013, 09:47:PM »
April 100%.  Of course non-adoptees are not going to understand adoption psychology why would they?  How could they?


NaNu THANKYOU :) Sometimes it feels as if I'm speaking a language nobody understands. I certainly felt jumped on from a great height.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #456 on: April 30, 2013, 09:48:PM »
Alias/Mat/Vic.......and Maggie who knows about my circumstances. I'm always delighted to hear about successful adoptions. In a perfect world they would all be successful but sadly that's not the case. Mat, you ask what my personal feelings are based on. The answer to that is personal experience. There are huge parallels between my life pattern and that of Jeremy and Sheila and I certainly know what it feels like not to fit.

It wouldn't have been unreasonable for the Bambers to expect that the children they adopted would blend in in such a way that no demarcation line was discernable but it  seems it may not have worked out like that. We do know that Sheila, if her letter is to be believed,was desperate for June's approval and I feel certain that, if RB's diary is anything to go by, farming was not a natural vocation for Jeremy.

I'd like to say something about what Ann has said of Sheila. I've had it pointed out to me that it was a witness statement, not a memoir, but whilst she has nothing positive to say of her, she does say that when Sheila visited for lunch, all she wanted to do was talk and how she was too busy to listen. She gives the impression that she had no common ground with Sheila.

I haven't pulled these thoughts out of the ether. I've based them in part on my own experiences and in part from what has been said by the family. Undoubtedly, some of you will feel that I've misinterpreted what I've read.

This happens all the time in non-adoptive families. I know from close quarters, and it is not fair in any way, but we are three sisters, and my mother never could stand my middle sister- It is her own biological child she simply dislikes.
My sister is desperate for my mother´s approval. Sadly I don´t think she will ever get it.
Not only a problem in adoptive families.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #457 on: April 30, 2013, 09:48:PM »
You've got some answering to do...straight up I've had for dinner: liver, mashed potato, cabbage and gravy and I swear its referring to you as Miss Bridget has made me feel all nostalgic  ;D ;D ;D

See Dr F's wit stat:

"In fact when I refer to Sheila's parents I mean her adopted parents"  (Should read 'adoptive')

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1199.0.html

Ok Miss Nun :)

Wtf does Dr F's comment have to do with the price of fish?
....just cos I eat worms...

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #458 on: April 30, 2013, 10:00:PM »
This happens all the time in non-adoptive families. I know from close quarters, and it is not fair in any way, but we are three sisters, and my mother never could stand my middle sister- It is her own biological child she simply dislikes.
My sister is desperate for my mother´s approval. Sadly I don´t think she will ever get it.
Not only a problem in adoptive families.


Alias, we've been here numerous times. Of course it happens in biological families but IMO there is greater pressure placed on the adopted child/the adopted child may feel there is greater pressure placed on it. I couldn't have been more different from my adoptive mother who had been told that "It will grow into your ways" I never did and I think I always knew she neither loved me nor liked me and your sister may well have felt exactly the same as I did. The need for approval was HUGE but not once did I get it. I was still trying though, 4 hrs before she died. My heart aches for your sister.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #459 on: April 30, 2013, 10:03:PM »
I've answered your#431 fully because DCI Taff Jones was frightened of provoking a young man with a posh accent which might have resulted in a complaint to his superiors and that calamity of losing your job in the Thatcher era which kept everyone conforming to the accepted norm.


Steve,,,I'm going to swear--------------ffs.  >:(

"Frightened of provoking a man with a posh accent.?"

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #460 on: April 30, 2013, 10:08:PM »
Ok Miss Nun :)

Wtf does Dr F's comment have to do with the price of fish?

Hey I'm multi-tasking: dinner, cleaning, drinking wine and posting  ;D ;D ;D  Perhaps I should have responded to Alias' post re why the differentiation between adoptive and birth parents. 

What does your post have to do with the price of fish?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1199.0.html

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #461 on: April 30, 2013, 10:08:PM »

Steve,,,I'm going to swear--------------ffs.  >:(

"Frightened of provoking a man with a posh accent.?"


Lookout, if Steve speaks anything like he writes, he must have a mouthful of plum stones............as well as a very curious sense of humour :D :D :D :D

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #462 on: April 30, 2013, 10:14:PM »

Lookout, if Steve speaks anything like he writes, he must have a mouthful of plum stones............as well as a very curious sense of humour :D :D :D :D


I think he has all those,April. He'd run a mile if he heard my language. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #463 on: April 30, 2013, 10:14:PM »
This happens all the time in non-adoptive families. I know from close quarters, and it is not fair in any way, but we are three sisters, and my mother never could stand my middle sister- It is her own biological child she simply dislikes.
My sister is desperate for my mother´s approval. Sadly I don´t think she will ever get it.
Not only a problem in adoptive families.

Alias sorry to hear this.  But your sister was never left thinking 'arr bet if she was my 'real' mother it would be different.  Plus she did not have to deal with all the issues that an adoptee brought up in a closed adoption has to deal with even if they have a good or ok relationship with their adoptive parents.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #464 on: April 30, 2013, 10:16:PM »
I've answered your#431 fully because DCI Taff Jones was frightened of provoking a young man with a posh accent which might have resulted in a complaint to his superiors and that calamity of losing your job in the Thatcher era which kept everyone conforming to the accepted norm.
Well if he ever had a "posh" accent he's certainly lost it now. I've yet to meet a farming family with posh accents round these parts. Maybe you're listening to too many Archers episodes?  ;D
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