Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985

[killingeve]

Try as I might, I cannot work out what your post has to do with the point I was making.

Are you able to explain your post:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.msg173130.html#msg173130

I don't understand the connection with your sister?

[lookout]

The case is made more difficult because of the absence of forensic evidence. It's all supposition,,which isn't right as a basis for such a crime.

[killingeve]

The case is made more difficult because of the absence of forensic evidence. It's all supposition,,which isn't right as a basis for such a crime.

Yes and lessons are never learned.  Bridget has pointed out that the same thing happened in the Simon Hall case ie no pathologist at soc to ascertain time of death. 

[Bridget]

Are you able to explain your post:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.msg173130.html#msg173130

I don't understand the connection with your sister?

I think the post is self explanatory. You cannot base an 'assessment' or a 'psych evaluation' as April variously describes it on a few facts gleaned from witness statements taken for an entirely different purpose. I see my sister maybe 4 or 5 times a year and it's been that way for the best part of 30 years, this does not mean I don't know her.

[maggie]

Morning Ms Bridget

I don't really understand your post above.

JB may have had a crap relationship with every member of his adoptive family - immediate and extended - doesn't mean he would have dreamt of killing them for any reason.

People believe what they want to believe.  Last night I saw on the news that the parents of the suspected Boston bombers are in complete denial that their sons were involved albeit the law enforcement agencies seem to have considerable evidence although I accept that the survivor has yet to be tried.

Same happened with the lead suicide bomber in 9/11 attacks in that his father refused to believe that his son was involved.

Imo the same is true of the Boutflours/Eatons ie they refuse to believe Sheila was responsible despite, according to Colin Caffell, having no idea about the severity of her mental illness.

Excerpt from Colin's book:

"One of the most striking things about that day, although not altogether surprising for me, was the fact that, the more I talked to June and Nevill's relations, the more I realised none of them actually knew anything had been seriously wrong with Bambs - not even June's sister Pam.  Many of them said that had they known, they would have been more than willing to help and share the burden.  Why hadn't I contacted them and told them all about it?  I couldn't believe what I was hearing and could only reply by saying that I didn't feel it had been my business to betray the Bamber's confidence.  They were very private people whose decisions I had to respect - whether right or wrong.  These people had no idea how much I'd need them as allies to convince June and Nevill of how strongly I felt Bamb's treatment should have been changed".

"Their lack of awareness was probably a tremendous blessing, because without a full appreciation of her illness -   which, for me, had acted like a smoke-screen to the truth - they were absolutely convinced Bambs couldn't have done it and, unbeknown to me then, were already pressing the police into further investigations, albeit with little initial success."

Excellent post NN   

[campion]

  I refer to Steve uk's post #105, and NN,s post #123, regarding the alleged 'birth father' of Jeremy Bamber. Have comparative DNA TESTS been carried out in pursuance of this, and if not, can they, and should they not  be arranged?
 We can be sure it will be a weight off Major Leslie Marsham's mind to ascertain that he is not actually  (or actually not) the natural father of an alleged murderer.

[Patti]

I think the post is self explanatory. You cannot base an 'assessment' or a 'psych evaluation' as April variously describes it on a few facts gleaned from witness statements taken for an entirely different purpose. I see my sister maybe 4 or 5 times a year and it's been that way for the best part of 30 years, this does not mean I don't know her.

Of course you know your sister Bridget, inside out, you have lived with her and you are blood relatives.

I think what NN is trying to point out is that although some people will say that the extended family knew the Bambers well, this might not be the case.  The difference is, that AE had never lived with the Bamber's and did not know Sheila or Jeremy during their school days, therefore did know them fully.  On saying that I think June and Pam had a lovely relationship and did know each other well....But, what NN is pointing out is that Colin said in his book that the AE and Pam were not fully aware of Sheila's illness and had they been, they would have helped.  This tells us that they were might have been close, but did not reveal everything to each other, for it was personal to them as a family and June might not have wanted her sister to know....for many reasons known only to them....

[killingeve]

I think the post is self explanatory. You cannot base an 'assessment' or a 'psych evaluation' as April variously describes it on a few facts gleaned from witness statements taken for an entirely different purpose. I see my sister maybe 4 or 5 times a year and it's been that way for the best part of 30 years, this does not mean I don't know her.

The difference between the Boutflours/Eaton/JB relationship and that between you and your sister in terms of depth of understanding is (a couple of assumptions here) firstly your sister was immediate family, secondly you were genetically related, thirdly you grew up in the same home and therefore spent most of your waking hours together. 

Plus Dr F is on record as saying that SC never discussed with him any issues with JB.  Also June never discussed JB with Dr F apart from revealing that she dropped him on his head, or similar, whilst a baby. 

I've not read anything the relatives have put forward that leads me to think JB could be capable of killing his entire immediate adoptive family.  Imo they are all benign actions eg not being committed to the farm when leaving college, travelling, having a friend that wore a feather behind his ear, accidentally spraying weed killer on a neighbouring farm, etc, etc.  These benign actions are imo put forward to paint JB in a bad light.  The extreme end of the spectrum is breaking into the family business and stealing a few hundred quid and supplying and using pot.  Not condoning this but not exactly crimes of the century.  I would have expected to have seen firm evidence of serious anti-social/deviant/violent/aggressive behaviour.

You believe JB to be guilty.  I believe him to be innocent.  There's no concrete proof either way albeit he has been found guilty in a court of law due imo to fatal errors being made by his defence.  But then I would say that wouldn't I? 

[boheme]

  I refer to Steve uk's post #105, and NN,s post #123, regarding the alleged 'birth father' of Jeremy Bamber. Have comparative DNA TESTS been carried out in pursuance of this, and if not, can they, and should they not  be arranged?
 We can be sure it will be a weight off Major Leslie Marsham's mind to ascertain that he is not actually  (or actually not) the natural father of an alleged murderer.

I saw a photo of his sister and she does look a lot like JB !!

[Patti]

The difference between the Boutflours/Eaton/JB relationship and that between you and your sister in terms of depth of understanding is (a couple of assumptions here) firstly your sister was immediate family, secondly you were genetically related, thirdly you grew up in the same home and therefore spent most of your waking hours together. 

Plus Dr F is on record as saying that SC never discussed with him any issues with JB.  Also June never discussed JB with Dr F apart from revealing that she dropped him on his head, or similar, whilst a baby. 

I've not read anything the relatives have put forward that leads me to think JB could be capable of killing his entire immediate adoptive family.  Imo they are all benign actions eg not being committed to the farm when leaving college, travelling, having a friend that wore a feather behind his ear, accidentally spraying weed killer on a neighbouring farm, etc, etc.  These benign actions are imo put forward to paint JB in a bad light.  The extreme end of the spectrum is breaking into the family business and stealing a few hundred quid and supplying and using pot.  Not condoning this but not exactly crimes of the century.  I would have expected to have seen firm evidence of serious anti-social/deviant/violent/aggressive behaviour.

You believe JB to be guilty.  I believe him to be innocent.  There's no concrete proof either way albeit he has been found guilty in a court of law due imo to fatal errors being made by his defence.  But then I would say that wouldn't I? 

Hi NN, this is an important question. What feather behind the ear?  Who?

[lookout]

I saw a photo of his sister and she does look a lot like JB !!

That's interesting,boheme. It would be more interesting to find out if either blood brother and sister have developed any similarities as regards behavioural qualities and " quirks " as brothers and sisters do,such as the way they sit,stand,eat,etc etc. Or even their minds.

[killingeve]

Hi NN, this is an important question. What feather behind the ear?  Who?

Hi Patti

It's contained in RB's diary that JB was seen accompanying a young man with a feather in his ear!!!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=246.0;attach=635

[Patti]

Hi Patti

It's contained in RB's diary that JB was seen accompanying a young man with a feather in his ear!!!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=246.0;attach=635

Thank you NN...Now I am wondering about the significance of a feather....Come on all of you must have seen it....

[lookout]

I know one thing. Jeremy didn't even have the bottle to punch anyones' lights out for calling him a b'stard. I'm trying my best to fathom out why he didn't have a backbone then to ever stand up to anyone. I could have understood if he'd have shown aggression as a teenager,,because they usually continue in that mode into their adult life,,and had this been the case,then I'd have said yes,,without doubt he could murder,,but under such circumstances,I find it very very difficult to believe that he even had a brainstorm.
He seems to have taken everything on the chin by everyone concerned.

[Jane]

The difference between the Boutflours/Eaton/JB relationship and that between you and your sister in terms of depth of understanding is (a couple of assumptions here) firstly your sister was immediate family, secondly you were genetically related, thirdly you grew up in the same home and therefore spent most of your waking hours together. 

Plus Dr F is on record as saying that SC never discussed with him any issues with JB.  Also June never discussed JB with Dr F apart from revealing that she dropped him on his head, or similar, whilst a baby. 

I've not read anything the relatives have put forward that leads me to think JB could be capable of killing his entire immediate adoptive family.  Imo they are all benign actions eg not being committed to the farm when leaving college, travelling, having a friend that wore a feather behind his ear, accidentally spraying weed killer on a neighbouring farm, etc, etc.  These benign actions are imo put forward to paint JB in a bad light.  The extreme end of the spectrum is breaking into the family business and stealing a few hundred quid and supplying and using pot.  Not condoning this but not exactly crimes of the century.  I would have expected to have seen firm evidence of serious anti-social/deviant/violent/aggressive behaviour.

You believe JB to be guilty.  I believe him to be innocent.  There's no concrete proof either way albeit he has been found guilty in a court of law due imo to fatal errors being made by his defence.  But then I would say that wouldn't I? 

Of course you know your sister Bridget, inside out, you have lived with her and you are blood relatives.

I think what NN is trying to point out is that although some people will say that the extended family knew the Bambers well, this might not be the case.  The difference is, that AE had never lived with the Bamber's and did not know Sheila or Jeremy during their school days, therefore did know them fully.  On saying that I think June and Pam had a lovely relationship and did know each other well....But, what NN is pointing out is that Colin said in his book that the AE and Pam were not fully aware of Sheila's illness and had they been, they would have helped.  This tells us that they were might have been close, but did not reveal everything to each other, for it was personal to them as a family and June might not have wanted her sister to know....for many reasons known only to them....

NaNu/Patti, thankyou for clarifying for Bridget the point I was TRYING to make re her relationship with her sister

 :)As to my ability, or not, to give an assessment of part of someone's character by reading a piece of paper in which it was made obvious what their concerns were, isn't that just what Ann had done about Jeremy, when by her own admission, she knew little about him.