I'm still confused....

[Bridget]

Its not normal to know that you handed a silrncer to police on 11th September 1985, and remember it as though the silencer in quesyion was handed to police on evening of 12th August 1985, almost a month earlier - how can you forget somrthing like that, silencer was handed over by Ann Eaton after Jeremy was in custody sfter his first srrest, not before he was arrested - funny how relatives rrmember all the things which painted Jeremy in a poor light...

More spin...

This is your interpretation of 5 or 6 ambiguous words in some police printout or other. It is not an example of anyone forgetting anything.

[tyler]

Bridget,I see what you mean,but likewise,I do not regard the "finding" of the silencer as a "finer" detail and neither do I regard the inconsistancies in the statements purporting to its "discovery" as "normal".

[tyler]

Great post April by the way,and I wholeheartedly agree with you!

[Bridget]

Bridget,I see what you mean,but likewise,I do not regard the "finding" of the silencer as a "finer" detail and neither do I regard the inconsistancies in the statements purporting to its "discovery" as "normal".

Fair enough, but can I ask what in particular you see as inconsistencies? I mean in particular between their own statements and not as compared to any later theories. I think they've been pretty consistent in what they've said about the silencer, but I may be missing something.

[guest154]

I think it's important to hold Mike (or anyone) accountable for their own discrepences.

But Mike in particular, surely since a lot of his information comes from letters/conversations directly from Jeremy Bamber.

[Jane]

I think it's important to hold Mike (or anyone) accountable for their own discrepences.

But Mike in particular, surely since a lot of his information comes from letters/conversations directly from Jeremy Bamber.

So are you saying that everything Mike says is a lie because it has been passed to him by Jeremy, whereas what Vic says MUST be true because he received it from the family?

[guest154]

I didn't say anything Mike says is a lie, I said if there are discrepencies by ANYONE they should be called upon.

[tyler]

Bridget,the statements are not consistant as to who was present when it was discovered,when the police were contacted with regards to its discovery,but the part that is most worrying for me is Basil Cocks recollection of whf being covered in fingerprinting dust that day. However,a full fingerprinting examination was not carried out until the September.

[Roch]

Bridget,the statements are not consistant as to who was present when it was discovered,when the police were contacted with regards to its discovery,but the part that is most worrying for me is Basil Cocks recollection of whf being covered in fingerprinting dust that day. However,a full fingerprinting examination was not carried out until the September.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,978.0.html

[tyler]

Hi Mat,I agree! So shall we start with the discrepencies in the police logs? Surely these discrepencies are more important than any discrepencies made by Mike? This is a forum and we have the option to decide whether or not to believe what Mike is telling us. However,the police logs are supposedly a factual record of police activity on the morning of the murders. The police do not lie,surely? How then,did two bodies,that of a female and a male,described as a murder and a suicide,allegedly found in the kitchen upon entry by the raid team,become just the murdered body of Neville Bamber? Surely these inconsistancies are more important and relevant with regards to this case?

[Jane]

I didn't say anything Mike says is a lie, I said if there are discrepencies by ANYONE they should be called upon.

But Mat, on whom may we rely to point out any discrepencies when such can be said to be a matter of interpretation.

[lookout]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,978.0.html

A most interesting link I must say.

[guest154]

Hi Mat,I agree! So shall we start with the discrepencies in the police logs? Surely these discrepencies are more important than any discrepencies made by Mike? This is a forum and we have the option to decide whether or not to believe what Mike is telling us. However,the police logs are supposedly a factual record of police activity on the morning of the murders. The police do not lie,surely? How then,did two bodies,that of a female and a male,described as a murder and a suicide,allegedly found in the kitchen upon entry by the raid team,become just the murdered body of Neville Bamber? Surely these inconsistancies are more important and relevant with regards to this case?

Hi Tyler.

You have the benefit of hindsight to look back on the crime scene - the police who were there on the night obviously were confused looking through the back window, they made mistakes - things weren't recorded correctly - how about the later logs where Sheila is listed as being upstairs? As things become clearer the logs begin to make sense.

How anyone can look past the injuries to Sheila and still be of the thinking she actually did anything after the first shot, is laughable at best.... at worst it's damn right ignorant.

But Mat, on whom may we rely to point out any discrepencies when such can be said to be a matter of interpretation.

In this instance you're not relying on anyone,  you're seeing quite clearly yourself that the story/dates have well and truly changed.

[tyler]

Lookout,hi. Am on my phone due to family members hogging both the pc and the laptop and cannot access links. What does it say that is interesting?

[tyler]

Hi Mat. Actually none of us have the benefit of hindsight to look back on the crime scene as we were not there. Therefore,we have to rely on the police version of events. I can buy the explanation of Collins looking through the kitchen window and mistaking Mr.Bamber for that of a female,but,it was logged that UPON ENTRY,the bodies of a female and a male were found.Described as a murder and a suicide and the police surgeon and coroner were called accordingly. How can Mr.Bamber be described as a murder and a suicide? Yes,Sheilas body was later logged as being found upstairs and this was the version of events that was used at trial. Why did EP not disclose the whole of the logs at trial? Why was the coroner told he wasn't needed after-all? Why did EP not want the coroner to see the bodies in situ? Surely it stands to reason that they had something to hide?