I'm still confused....

[mertol22]

The notes made by police officers should be taken on their merits, something has to be written down in writing, for one very important reason, they were written as events unfolded , in other words what you see is a first generation draught copy of running events made in real time , everyone makes mistakes , no human can exist without doing so, likewise the police you can add on that list, a notepad with notes is one thing a full account after thinking via a statement is another, the log entries are there to question do not take them as 100% factual.

[guest154]

Hi Mat. Actually none of us have the benefit of hindsight to look back on the crime scene as we were not there. Therefore,we have to rely on the police version of events. I can buy the explanation of Collins looking through the kitchen window and mistaking Mr.Bamber for that of a female,but,it was logged that UPON ENTRY,the bodies of a female and a male were found.Described as a murder and a suicide and the police surgeon and coroner were called accordingly. How can Mr.Bamber be described as a murder and a suicide? Yes,Sheilas body was later logged as being found upstairs and this was the version of events that was used at trial. Why did EP not disclose the whole of the logs at trial? Why was the coroner told he wasn't needed after-all? Why did EP not want the coroner to see the bodies in situ? Surely it stands to reason that they had something to hide?

Tyler, you make some good points. But I feel we're going around in circles and feel some of that has already been answered.
But it's hard to get past the wound to Sheila, for me. And as Mertol says about mistakes are made with the notes - it was a confusing situation in which the police were being told by Bamber a whole range of things outside. Mistakes were made and were clarified/explained and a later time when the dust had settled.

Although there still are questions to be answered, but no cas ever has every question answered.

[vidvic]

Bridget,the statements are not consistant as to who was present when it was discovered,when the police were contacted with regards to its discovery,but the part that is most worrying for me is Basil Cocks recollection of whf being covered in fingerprinting dust that day. However,a full fingerprinting examination was not carried out until the September.

Hi Tyler, just wondered why you believe the farm was not fingerprinted earlier.

In Julie's statements she makes mention of Jeremy complaining that fingerprinting was taking longer than he expected, I think on the Friday keys were handed to the family.

[tyler]

Vidvic, the date the fingerprinting was carried out is logged in one of EP's documents. Also,the Dickenson Report contains many comments as to it not having been carried out in the August.

[Bridget]

Hi Mat. Actually none of us have the benefit of hindsight to look back on the crime scene as we were not there. Therefore,we have to rely on the police version of events. I can buy the explanation of Collins looking through the kitchen window and mistaking Mr.Bamber for that of a female,but,it was logged that UPON ENTRY,the bodies of a female and a male were found.Described as a murder and a suicide and the police surgeon and coroner were called accordingly. How can Mr.Bamber be described as a murder and a suicide? Yes,Sheilas body was later logged as being found upstairs and this was the version of events that was used at trial. Why did EP not disclose the whole of the logs at trial? Why was the coroner told he wasn't needed after-all? Why did EP not want the coroner to see the bodies in situ? Surely it stands to reason that they had something to hide?

Do you mean the pathologist? I agree, and I think that was something that he himself complained about later, just after trial if memory serves. It's also a factor in Simon Hall's case where time of death could make a crucial difference because of the very narrow window of opportunity yet the pathologist didn't see fit to turn up at the scene. That lesson still hadn't been learned 16 years later it seems.

[Bridget]

I should clarify, I don't agree with the "something to hide" bit

[vidvic]

Vidvic, the date the fingerprinting was carried out is logged in one of EP's documents. Also,the Dickenson Report contains many comments as to it not having been carried out in the August.

Paragraphs 187/188 of the Dickenson report state that a FULL fingerprint search wasn't required. It doesn't say that no fingerprints were taken at all.

Further fingerprinting was completed in September I believe.

This is entirely consistent with Basil's statement.

[tyler]

Full fingerprinting was carried out in September,after the nature of the investigation changed. I do believe that initially,only the main bedroom was fingerprinted. However,Basil Cocks refers to "the place being covered in fingerprinting dust" on the day the silencer was allegedly found.

[vidvic]

Full fingerprinting was carried out in September,after the nature of the investigation changed. I do believe that initially,only the main bedroom was fingerprinted. However,Basil Cocks refers to "the place being covered in fingerprinting dust" on the day the silencer was allegedly found.

So some fingerprinting was done? How do you know what rooms were done or not?