Police in a hurry to dispose of bodies, despite having evidence of doubt...

[tyler]

Alias,no need as I was only joking. He actually shares most of my beliefs regarding the Bamber case. He has very good knowledge of how corrupt the police can be!

[Jane]

Police had finished with the carpets. They had taken the samples they wanted and needed Jeremy's signature to dispose of the remaining carpet and bedclothes. Jeremy has been accused so many times of approaching the police and requesting the destruction of these items,but it is just another myth. (See Dickenson Report for my source). Re: cremations. Has anyone ever thought that maybe Jeremy could not afford to have his parents and Sheila buried? If the Bambers so wanted a burial in the local churchyard,then I'm quite surprised that they hadn't then reserved a family plot. They may simply have not had a preference either way?

Many thanks, Tyler. I think I spent most of yesterday labouring both points you raise. Jeremy has been painted as all-powerful but there is no way that he could have asked, suggested, requested, ordered or demanded that ANY item be destroyed which was deemed necessary to the investigation. The police were at fault by allowing it to happen.

Regarding the funerals. It seems that everybody but Jeremy "knew" that the Bambers wanted to be buried. It seems to me that "everybody" consisted of those of an older generation than Jeremy and Ann only knew because she was told by Pam. Unless they are a family who are very open with each other and are given to intimate discussion at mealtimes, I don't believe the subject is raised with children. In any case, the Bambers were only in their early 60's. The most I would have expected from Nevill was what my father told me, that on his death I should phone his solicitor. Whilst I feel confident that their death was NOT a subject spoken of with Sheila and Jeremy by their parents, I would have expected that ALL things related to it and important to them would have been placed with their solicitor.

[vidvic]

Vidvic, sorry but which part of my post was rubbish? Only, the first part of it was taken from the Dickenson Inquiry and the second part was  questioning a possibility and not written as fact?

I never said anything about your post Tyler. But untruths on this page are numerous. Mike weighs in with more slander and without question posters add to the insults.

[mike tesko]

Many thanks, Tyler. I think I spent most of yesterday labouring both points you raise. Jeremy has been painted as all-powerful but there is no way that he could have asked, suggested, requested, ordered or demanded that ANY item be destroyed which was deemed necessary to the investigation. The police were at fault by allowing it to happen.

Regarding the funerals. It seems that everybody but Jeremy "knew" that the Bambers wanted to be buried. It seems to me that "everybody" consisted of those of an older generation than Jeremy and Ann only knew because she was told by Pam. Unless they are a family who are very open with each other and are given to intimate discussion at mealtimes, I don't believe the subject is raised with children. In any case, the Bambers were only in their early 60's. The most I would have expected from Nevill was what my father told me, that on his death I should phone his solicitor. Whilst I feel confident that their death was NOT a subject spoken of with Sheila and Jeremy by their parents, I would have expected that ALL things related to it and important to them would have been placed with their solicitor.

Funnily enough, there is no mention at all by either parent regarding what should happen to thier bodies in thier wills, once they  died, so there lies part of the answer as to why both were cremated...

[Jane]

I never said anything about your post Tyler. But untruths on this page are numerous. Mike weighs in with more slander and without question posters add to the insults.

Good Morning Vic. You are correct in saying that untruths abound. As human beings we are ALL fallible and thus  are likely to errwhen we are discussing things and people we feel passionate about. When I say "ALL", you are not exempt. Many things across this forum have challenged my beliefs. Can you say, honestly, that there has been NOTHING said to make you stop and think, that has been said by those of us who oppose your views.

[tyler]

I have a question if anybody could kindly help. After the Bamber deaths,who would have been responsible for ensuring that the last wishes of the deceased were carried out ? Would it have been the Executor or the next of kin?

[campion]

Hi Tyler, re your post#65, - for general info.  See  London Gazette (Probate Notice) -Accountant.  :- JUNE12 2003. -  COCK, Basil of 2 Willoughby Avenue, West Mersea, Colchester Essex, CO5 BAU. Chartered Accountant(Retired). 5 Januuary 2003.

[nugnug]

I have a question if anybody could kindly help. After the Bamber deaths,who would have been responsible for ensuring that the last wishes of the deceased were carried out ? Would it have been the Executor or the next of kin?

it would of been the executor.

[lookout]

I have a question if anybody could kindly help. After the Bamber deaths,who would have been responsible for ensuring that the last wishes of the deceased were carried out ? Would it have been the Executor or the next of kin?

Hi Tyler,,if it isn't already stated in the will,along with who acts as executor,,then the next of kin to that person/s has the last say. In Jeremys' case,I don't know because it's usually a blood relative,,but because of this,,I would have assumed that Neville would have previously drawn up his wishes with a solicitor.Had it been a straightforward death,where one parent goes before the other,and providing a will was in place,then it would fall to the next of kin.
The law in these matters can be pretty complicated especially if no will is in place,,as it can mean that even the next of kin isn't recognised,but instead,nephews/nieces of the deceased.

[lookout]

I would love to have seen how that will was drawn up. I have my late pa-in-laws will and I've never seen anything as complicated in all my life,as to who pre-deceases who and the outcomes.

[Caroline R]

Hi Tyler,,if it isn't already stated in the will,along with who acts as executor,,then the next of kin to that person/s has the last say. In Jeremys' case,I don't know because it's usually a blood relative,,but because of this,,I would have assumed that Neville would have previously drawn up his wishes with a solicitor.Had it been a straightforward death,where one parent goes before the other,and providing a will was in place,then it would fall to the next of kin.
The law in these matters can be pretty complicated especially if no will is in place,,as it can mean that even the next of kin isn't recognised,but instead,nephews/nieces of the deceased.

I would have thought that because Jeremy was fully adopted, he would be considered the next of kin in all matters.

[susan]

Hi Caroline

I agree an adopted child as the same rights legally as a blood related child. I think a wife is number one in the que for the inheritance unless a will states otherwise under Scottish Law anyway.

[lookout]

I would have thought that because Jeremy was fully adopted, he would be considered the next of kin in all matters.

Caroline,,I'm really not sure how the land lies with this one,,but presumably Neville had made the full instructions in his will that his nearest and dearest benefit. Relatives may have assumed that because Jeremy was not blood-related,their entitlement would be foremost in their thoughts.
I'm of the belief that even had things happened naturally,,that there'd still have been disputes anyway,,as there was years after. I think Jeremy would have had a dogs life quite honestly.

[Jane]

I would have thought that because Jeremy was fully adopted, he would be considered the next of kin in all matters.

Caroline, I can tell you with absolute certainty that he would. My father drew up a will when I was first adopted and was required to name me as "my adopted daughter." By the time he sold the house, necessitating a change to his will, he was only required to name me as "my daughter".

[maggie]

I would have thought that because Jeremy was fully adopted, he would be considered the next of kin in all matters.

You are right Caroline, an adopted child has exactly the same rights in law s a natural child.