Police in a hurry to dispose of bodies, despite having evidence of doubt...

[Roch]

If by pro police you mean irritated by the fact that they did not preserve every single sock cartridge case carpet fibre wallpaper sample speck of blood grain of sugar (insert endless in list here) for all eternity in order that JB could not later claim that their destruction was a plot against him then why not? Actually, they probably should have pickled the bodies and stored them.

I meant the near constant 'letting them off the hook', as if they were merely overwhelmed Dixon of Dock Green types who've never even told a white lie in their lives, nevermind a full blown fib.  You're at it all the time on here.  At least our side are prepared to accept that some of JB's behaviour was indeed that of a 'shit'. This bumbling lillywhite interpretation of Essex Police in this case that we get from you and Vic is just not realistic.  It doesn't wash.

[Bridget]

I meant the near constant 'letting them off the hook', as if they were merely overwhelmed Dixon of Dock Green types who've never even told a white lie in their lives, nevermind a full blown fib.  You're at it all the time on here.  At least our side are prepared to accept that some of JB's behaviour was indeed that of a 'shit'. This bumbling lillywhite interpretation of Essex Police in this case that we get from you and Vic is just not realistic.  It doesn't wash.

It's not a question of "letting them off the hook", I've yet to see anything that represents much in the way of a hook. There always appears to be a simple explanation which is continually rejected in favour of convoluted claptrap by those desperate to cling to their beliefs of innocence. Unlike you however i'm not going to suggest that this applies to all JB supporters and it's not about 'sides'. You admit he's a shit at times because he clearly is, it would be pointless to deny it.

[Roch]

We now have this amazing scenario where numerous, naturally inquisitive detectives, senior officers and experienced scenes of crime officers not only fail to spot a staged body but have also displayed a staggering level of collective incompetence, by approaching the only informant of the incident, for permission to destroy his own crime scene?


Staggering isn't it!

That should give you a massive clue that it's codswallop.  But unfortunately, you have taken up such an ingrained stance on who his responsible, you are prepared to accept codswallop, rather than face altering your stance.

[Jane]

All the relatives with exception of Jeremy believed Nevill & Particularly June had expressed the wish to be buried, but Jeremy refused. The form, signed by Bamber, authorising the destruction was published on here.

So are you saying there were no written instruction? How could something of such import not be put in writing?

[Lugg]

All the relatives with exception of Jeremy believed Nevill & Particularly June had expressed the wish to be buried, but Jeremy refused. The form, signed by Bamber, authorising the destruction was published on here.

I would have thought that June's wishes would have been conveyed to her sister wouldn't it? Surely she would have had more right than Jeremy to insist that they wanted to be buried? Having said that I should think that judging by their being members of the Church of England then most of the older generation would have wanted to be buried as opposed to cremation? When my stepfather died my mother was so distressed mentally that I had to make the decision for her and I was critisised for my decision to opt for burial and was accused of being under the influence of a crackpot sect, because his relations wanted him to be cremated.

I must say that it was a very hard decision to come to whilst under a lot of stress at the time in my own life (my wife had just given birth to our second child). I did not have time to sit down and discuss it with other extended family relatives. You must remember that Jeremy was only in his mid twenties when he had this great tragedy thrust upon him with umpteen decisions to make. I should think he did what I did at the time. I manned up to the situation and took control and boy did that drain my strength and it also affected the way I began to treat other people. I sometimes took a defensive stance. I made certain decisions and stuck to them. That was the only way I could handle the situation.

I was about the same age as Jeremy at the time of my stepfather's death, perhaps a bit older. So when I read of all these comments about him being very calculating and couldn't believe his luck etc etc I get rather heated up. Because in all reality, he wasn't in the position of us here on this forum  who can disect things to our satisfaction so as to make him look as guilty as we possibly can in every decision he made. Because I can tell you for a fact that his mind was in perfect termoil at that time.

He was in fact ALONE in all this. The police on the one side pressing him to sign forms like the one to destroy carpets wringing wet with blood and on the other a hoard of relatives looking for his blood, who never once stood with him in anything. But rather were seeking ways of getting him convicted for murder. How I would have liked to be a fly on the wall in their houses at that time.

[Roch]

It's not a question of "letting them off the hook", I've yet to see anything that represents much in the way of a hook. There always appears to be a simple explanation which is continually rejected in favour of convoluted claptrap by those desperate to cling to their beliefs of innocence. Unlike you however i'm not going to suggest that this applies to all JB supporters and it's not about 'sides'. You admit he's a shit at times because he clearly is, it would be pointless to deny it.

You're right.  It's black and white.

Bamber = dishonest.

Police = honest. 

Now that I understand that, it might help me with the case.

[guest154]

You're right.  It's black and white.

Bamber = dishonest.

Police = honest. 

Now that I understand that, it might help me with the case.

The police were pretty useless and they made mistakes........These mistakes have been manipulated by Bamber over the years and fed to his followers, the stroy has changed though slightly from time to time.

But lets not forget Bamber has the advantage of knowing what happened so can point out the mistakes.

[lookout]

I think Jeremy was in the dark as regards what happened and like some of us,is trying to fathom out a few anomalies that there are,,and piecing things together as best he can. Which is all you can do,because if you weren't there,then it remains to be all guesswork.
I'm sure after nearly 28 years of being locked up,that if he'd been the culprit,he'd have thrown the towel in. People now are so annoyed that he's been determined not to alter his plea. It must be getting on everyones nerves,,,,I'm glad to say.

[vidvic]

That should give you a massive clue that it's codswallop.  But unfortunately, you have taken up such an ingrained stance on who his responsible, you are prepared to accept codswallop, rather than face altering your stance.

And the more I see lies printed on here, the more ingrained I become.......

The more direct lies I read in Bambers letters the more ingrained I become...

The more direct lies I read from Mike the more ingrained I become....

Even simple things like who owns what, who owed what, who punched who, who dated whom...

If Bamber is innocent then why the lies?

If Mike can prove him innocent why the lies?

You're an intelligent made Roch. Why do you so easily discount the lies?

[Roch]

And the more I see lies printed on here, the more ingrained I become.......

The more direct lies I read in Bambers letters the more ingrained I become...

The more direct lies I read from Mike the more ingrained I become....

Even simple things like who owns what, who owed what, who punched who, who dated whom...

If Bamber is innocent then why the lies?

If Mike can prove him innocent why the lies?

You're an intelligent made Roch. Why do you so easily discount the lies?

I don't agree with the tactics Mike has used, nor his reasoning for doing so.  Two wrongs dont make a right.  As for bamber's claims re who owned what, I am not that clear on.

But that being said, what's that got to do with an incredible scenario, whereby experienced murder detectives and scenes of crime officers, during a huge incident for their force, that is going to be front page national news, (allegedly) failing to spot a murder victim staged as a suicide victim and then offering to destroy the crime scene evidence left by the perpetrator (who also just happens to be the sole and initial informant of the incident (officially anyway), by seeking his signature? 

How credible is it, that these officers could make such staggering blunders... and then for there to be a catalogue of later mistakes and errors in both investigations, which just happen to also be nothing more than mistakes and errors?

WTF does it matter which Eaton punched Nevill? In the big scheme of understanding the case?  What's that got to do with blood soiled carpets and a ridiculously staged murder victim with a bible hanging of their arm and a rifle that looks like it's been balanced upon them? (that wasn't spotted by police)

[maggie]

I don't agree with the tactics Mike has used, nor his reasoning for doing so.  Two wrongs dont make a right.  As for bamber's claims re who owned what, I am not that clear on.

But that being said, what's that got to do with an incredible scenario, whereby experienced murder detectives and scenes of crime officers, during a huge incident for their force, that is going to be front page national news, (allegedly) failing to spot a murder victim staged as a suicide victim and then offering to destroy the crime scene evidence left by the perpetrator (who also just happens to be the sole and initial informant of the incident (officially anyway), by seeking his signature? 

How credible is it, that these officers could make such staggering blunders... and then for there to be a catalogue of later mistakes and errors in both investigations, which just happen to also be nothing more than mistakes and errors?

WTF does it matter which Eaton punched Nevill? In the big scheme of understanding the case?  What's that got to do with blood soiled carpets and a ridiculously staged murder victim with a bible hanging of their arm and a rifle that looks like it's been balanced upon them? (that wasn't spotted by police)

Very well said Roch.

[Jane]

I don't agree with the tactics Mike has used, nor his reasoning for doing so.  Two wrongs dont make a right.  As for bamber's claims re who owned what, I am not that clear on.

But that being said, what's that got to do with an incredible scenario, whereby experienced murder detectives and scenes of crime officers, during a huge incident for their force, that is going to be front page national news, (allegedly) failing to spot a murder victim staged as a suicide victim and then offering to destroy the crime scene evidence left by the perpetrator (who also just happens to be the sole and initial informant of the incident (officially anyway), by seeking his signature? 

How credible is it, that these officers could make such staggering blunders... and then for there to be a catalogue of later mistakes and errors in both investigations, which just happen to also be nothing more than mistakes and errors?

WTF does it matter which Eaton punched Nevill? In the big scheme of understanding the case?  What's that got to do with blood soiled carpets and a ridiculously staged murder victim with a bible hanging of their arm and a rifle that looks like it's been balanced upon them? (that wasn't spotted by police)

And when myth, legend and hearsay have been stripped away, what you have just said, Roch, is what remains. Those truths alone are enough to cast doubt on what happened, no matter what input from Mike or the relatives.

[Lugg]

And the more I see lies printed on here, the more ingrained I become.......

The more direct lies I read in Bambers letters the more ingrained I become...

The more direct lies I read from Mike the more ingrained I become....

Even simple things like who owns what, who owed what, who punched who, who dated whom...

If Bamber is innocent then why the lies?

If Mike can prove him innocent why the lies?

You're an intelligent made Roch. Why do you so easily discount the lies?

It doesn't help does it?

[packagebuilder]

This might be true to a certain extent, but at the end of the day, police went into overdrive to prevent a second opinion being made by another independant pathologist. Police rushed for body disposal, and nothing any family member, or relative appeared to know or say made the slightest difference. Facts are that police and Coroner dictated when the bodies were disposed of, and it was done too hastily for my liking, as though police wanted it over and done with...

Once the bodies are gone, then the old pathologist and police reports stand!! if another Independent had found something wasn't quite right, then the police will be blown out the water! No bodies then no second review? only reports stands which most had been falsed and some mapped over from the murder/suicide case files?

[Alias]

I don't agree with the tactics Mike has used, nor his reasoning for doing so.  Two wrongs dont make a right.  As for bamber's claims re who owned what, I am not that clear on.

But that being said, what's that got to do with an incredible scenario, whereby experienced murder detectives and scenes of crime officers, during a huge incident for their force, that is going to be front page national news, (allegedly) failing to spot a murder victim staged as a suicide victim and then offering to destroy the crime scene evidence left by the perpetrator (who also just happens to be the sole and initial informant of the incident (officially anyway), by seeking his signature? 

How credible is it, that these officers could make such staggering blunders... and then for there to be a catalogue of later mistakes and errors in both investigations, which just happen to also be nothing more than mistakes and errors?

WTF does it matter which Eaton punched Nevill? In the big scheme of understanding the case?  What's that got to do with blood soiled carpets and a ridiculously staged murder victim with a bible hanging of their arm and a rifle that looks like it's been balanced upon them? (that wasn't spotted by police)

Mind boggling. Well said, Roch.