Tesko files - we now know where the missing original case files went to...

[mike tesko]

Hi Lookout, I think times of death are recorded in these additional files held under these additional crime references - MASTER CRIME REPORT No. 6807/85/C22E, 6806/85/C22E, 6808/85/C22E, and 8260/85/C22E...

Above files held at Southend on Sea Constabulary...

Files held under SC/786/85, are edited versions of files held under SC/688/85, and files held under MASTER CRIME REPORT No. 6807/85/C22E, 6806/85/C22E, 6808/85/C22E, and 8260/85/C22E, are comp-letely different to the two aforementioned...

[mike tesko]

Exact time of death is hard to establish in any case.

Yes, but it is possible to produce estimated times of death, due to known circumstances...

Circumstances such as:-


10:15pm (6th August 1985) June and Sheila still live, talking to Pamela on phone
10:30pm (6th August 1985), Ralph still alive driving tractor and trailor
3:26am - (7th August 1985) Ralph calls police
8:30am - (7th August 1985) Sheila still alive upstairs in bedroom

[Lugg]

Mike,,this is where a time of death should have been paramount in such a case. It should have been the first " test "recorded when the coroner or police surgeon arrived.
I just can't ever understand why it was never carried out. Surely to God everyone wants to know the times of death/s in a crime scene. The police especially,in which to build their case.

Because Craig was a rotten doctor that's why. I know because he was our doctor and attended our children a few times and never did give a right diagnosis.

[lookout]

Exact time of death is hard to establish in any case.

If the body was luke-warmish,,it can be as near as dammit using a rectal thermometer ( warmest area )

[Lugg]

If the body was luke-warmish,,it can be as near as dammit using a rectal thermometer ( warmest area )

My father inlaw was in the Thames River Police during the 30's and 40's so you're talking about real old school copper. He attended many murder and suicide crime scenes. He said that you could usually get a rough idea of the time of death but putting your hand on the victim's abdomen which is the last area to go cold.

[Alias]

If the body was luke-warmish,,it can be as near as dammit using a rectal thermometer ( warmest area )

I think they measure the temperature in the liver - or the brain. Those two organs because of their mass and density.
I wouldn´t want a thermometer stuck into my brain!!!!

There are so many factors, such as amount of body fat, room temperature, amount/type of clothing worn, amount of blood loss etc.

It is just hard to determine precicely, especially when the victims are found after some hours. I´d say though, that Sheila hadn´t been dead for all that long when she was discovered - but I am judging from unclear photos and the fact that rigor mortis had not set in at 10 am (ca: when the photographs were taken, to lazy to look the time up, don´t remember.)