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Re: The 4/5 telephone calls made that night
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2013, 03:45:PM »
Jeremy was obviously not expecting the seriousness of it all,,as something other than " one of Sheilas' turns " wouldn't have entered his head,,nor would he have known how a situation such as happened,,was handled.
The very fact that he felt he needed to let someone know,i.e.JM, tells me that he was never used to urgent,or unknown situations.
If it had been in the daytime,,Jeremy himself would have driven along at break-neck speed probably,,but getting a call at that unearthly hour would have startled him,,particularly if he'd been in a deep sleep.
Not true. Ralph told Jeremy that his sister had gone crazy, and got hold of one of the guns. Now if that does not make the situation serious I don't know what does. He duly phoned JM, instead of calling for help, or racing to the farm.
Some things do not add up here. As readers are aware I am not in the 100% of people that think that Jeremy is innocent, but give him the benefit of doubt, as I believe that plod amongst others were against him.

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« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2013, 03:58:PM »
Not true. Ralph told Jeremy that his sister had gone crazy, and got hold of one of the guns. Now if that does not make the situation serious I don't know what does. He duly phoned JM, instead of calling for help, or racing to the farm.
Some things do not add up here. As readers are aware I am not in the 100% of people that think that Jeremy is innocent, but give him the benefit of doubt, as I believe that plod amongst others were against him.


Jeremy struck me as not being able to stand on his own two feet at times,,this time being one of them. He'd have relied on JM a lot,probably because of her dominance over him ( mother figure ) so would  have asked her " permission " as to what she thought he should do. Nothing suspicious in that so far as I can see.

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« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2013, 04:08:PM »
Not true. Ralph told Jeremy that his sister had gone crazy, and got hold of one of the guns. Now if that does not make the situation serious I don't know what does. He duly phoned JM, instead of calling for help, or racing to the farm.
Some things do not add up here. As readers are aware I am not in the 100% of people that think that Jeremy is innocent, but give him the benefit of doubt, as I believe that plod amongst others were against him.


All this tells me is what a dominant force was Julie in his life. We only have to look at how she conducted herself afterwards to see she is a powerful woman in control of her own destiny and wasn't about to let a small problem like the "love" of her life being incarcerated for life, thanks largely to her own testimony, stand in the way of her achieving her own aims.

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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2013, 04:20:PM »

All this tells me is what a dominant force was Julie in his life. We only have to look at how she conducted herself afterwards to see she is a powerful woman in control of her own destiny and wasn't about to let a small problem like the "love" of her life being incarcerated for life, thanks largely to her own testimony, stand in the way of her achieving her own aims.
Then she didn't need to get involved with Police at all and her past criminal history would not have been disclosed. Jeremy would have come to trial on the basis of the silencer evidence which Robert Boutflour had put in the hands of Essex Police.

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« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2013, 04:23:PM »
Then she didn't need to get involved with Police at all and her past criminal history would not have been disclosed. Jeremy would have come to trial on the basis of the silencer evidence which Robert Boutflour had put in the hands of Essex Police.


I think it's entirely possible she may have opened her mouth too much, too often and her hand was forced.

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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2013, 04:28:PM »

I think it's entirely possible she may have opened her mouth too much, too often and her hand was forced.
No that's not Julie's character.

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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2013, 04:33:PM »
No that's not Julie's character.


Or perhaps it's not the character you would wish her to be. I think you should look at the differences between the girl you would like/believe her to be and the woman she presents hersef as being/is, because there is a yawning gap between them.

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« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2013, 04:36:PM »
Anyone being offered that amount of money would be thinking they may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb,,,and tell whatever came into their heads. JM was coerced to make the police detection look good.

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« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2013, 04:56:PM »
Anyone being offered that amount of money would be thinking they may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb,,,and tell whatever came into their heads. JM was coerced to make the police detection look good.
There was absolutely no point in starting the Police on a wild goose chase with the Matthew McDonald hitman story if Julie wanted to maintain credibility with Essex Police,and to my mind this makes it all the more likely that the aforementioned story emanated from inside Jeremy's head.

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« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2013, 05:00:PM »
There was absolutely no point in starting the Police on a wild goose chase with the Matthew McDonald hitman story if Julie wanted to maintain credibility with Essex Police,and to my mind this makes it all the more likely that the aforementioned story emanated from inside Jeremy's head.


That's right,Steve," from inside Jeremy's head "---------------and not his hand.

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« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2013, 05:01:PM »
There was absolutely no point in starting the Police on a wild goose chase with the Matthew McDonald hitman story if Julie wanted to maintain credibility with Essex Police,and to my mind this makes it all the more likely that the aforementioned story emanated from inside Jeremy's head.

But she didn't go to the police, she 'gossiped' to her friends and it was one of them that 'forced' her hand. She had no choice after that - wheels were in motion and her neck on the line!!

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« Reply #71 on: April 13, 2013, 05:04:PM »
But she didn't go to the police, she 'gossiped' to her friends and it was one of them that 'forced' her hand. She had no choice after that - wheels were in motion and her neck on the line!!



I wonder if any of those friends got a cut from the fortune.? Sometimes when that doesn't happen,you have one " blowing the whistle ".

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« Reply #72 on: April 13, 2013, 05:05:PM »
But you're forgetting the struggle in the kitchen,the shots which all hit their target,and the ammunition spilled out on the blue and white chequered table top which he would have had the sense to remove from Sheila's grasp at any hint she had a rifle in her possession and given that she had no pockets in her nightie and would have had to return to that area three times to reload.

Why would he think to remove the ammunition? I thought you said she wouldn't know how to reload it given her lack of experience with guns?  ::)

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« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2013, 05:05:PM »
So from the previous two posts we can now establish that not only was Jeremy considering doing away with his family but that coincidentally Sheila beat him to it,and secondly Julie was blabbing to all and sundry about it but only spreading lies,for what reason I cannot fathom.

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« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2013, 05:07:PM »
Why would he think to remove the ammunition? I thought you said she wouldn't know how to reload it given her lack of experience with guns?  ::)
But it's Ralph(Nevill) who is in a panic about Sheila upstairs with a gun so why doesn't he take the precaution of removing the ammunition from the kitchen worktop?