The 4/5 telephone calls made that night

[tyler]

I too agree with NN's scenario. Maybe Sheila had locked herself in the downstairs toilet or something? Whatever,but Nevill must not have considered Sheila an "immediate" threat at the moment he phoned JB.Whilst on the phone,she may have rushed upstairs,which made Nevill panic and put the phone down,only it didn't get put down properly.I don't believe he was injured in any way when he made the call.If that was the case,I don't believe he would have asked JB to come over,wouldn't have put him in danger.He clearly didn't expect Sheila to use fire the rifle.

[maggie]

I too agree with NN's scenario. Maybe Sheila had locked herself in the downstairs toilet or something? Whatever,but Nevill must not have considered Sheila an "immediate" threat at the moment he phoned JB.Whilst on the phone,she may have rushed upstairs,which made Nevill panic and put the phone down,only it didn't get put down properly.I don't believe he was injured in any way when he made the call.If that was the case,I don't believe he would have asked JB to come over,wouldn't have put him in danger.He clearly didn't expect Sheila to use fire the rifle.

I've wonderd about the downstairs toilet before tyler.  Of course that's where Anthony Pargeter kept his gun but he claims it wasn't there on that particular night.?? It was a .22 wasn't it?

[tyler]

Maggie,Jeremy is adamant that AP's rifle was at whf that night. AP's version differs between statements. However,AP had an identical Parker Hale sound moderator as the Bambers and he doesn't appear to have ever accounted for its whereabouts on that fateful night. There is more information regarding AP's rifle on JB's website.

[lookout]

Maggie,Jeremy is adamant that AP's rifle was at whf that night. AP's version differs between statements. However,AP had an identical Parker Hale sound moderator as the Bambers and he doesn't appear to have ever accounted for its whereabouts on that fateful night. There is more information regarding AP's rifle on JB's website.

Wasn't it one of the relatives who collected AP's rifle days later.? It was registered to WHF,so would have been kept there.

[buddy]

Wasn't it one of the relatives who collected AP's rifle days later.? It was registered to WHF,so would have been kept there.

No the BRNO .22 was not collected by the family. Although AP stated that he usually kept his .22 at the farm, it was not there on the night of the murders, even though Jeremy listed it as being there.
AP stated that he usually left the .22 at the farm, but removed the bolt, so it could not be used in his absence.

[lookout]

No the BRNO .22 was not collected by the family. Although AP stated that he usually kept his .22 at the farm, it was not there on the night of the murders, even though Jeremy listed it as being there.
AP stated that he usually left the .22 at the farm, but removed the bolt, so it could not be used in his absence.

That fact makes matters worse to me,buddy,,,and smacks of a framing.

[buddy]

That fact makes matters worse to me,buddy,,,and smacks of a framing.

I can see where you are coming from Lookout, but the fact is that AP,s rifle was not inspected  until some years after the murders.
I believe the pargeter rifle had to be kept at his home address in Bourne End, but could only be fired at WHF. I am sure Vic will put me right.[ or Harters].
Fact is there were too many silencers flying around.

[lookout]

I can see where you are coming from Lookout, but the fact is that AP,s rifle was not inspected  until some years after the murders.
I believe the pargeter rifle had to be kept at his home address in Bourne End, but could only be fired at WHF. I am sure Vic will put me right.[ or Harters].
Fact is there were too many silencers flying around.

Just another " after the horse has bolted " scenarios,buddy. Too many of those in this,,and other cases.

[killingeve]

A wailing Sheila would have given June time to get out of bed and Ralph (Nevill)to clear away any ammunition for the rifle which was right by him as he made the purported telephone call to a son he was barely on speaking terms with. Had Nevill heard any shots he would have telephoned the Police himself and this ex RAF pilot would certainly not have dropped the telephone,nor relinquished his only lifeline to a mentally ill daughter pressing one of her well-manicured fingernails onto the cradle.

Hi Steve_uk.  I never said Sheila was wailing.  Is there any record of SC ever 'wailing'?  June and NB were very familiar with Sheila phoning NB late at night/early morning in a distressed state and calming her down as you have previously pointed out.

From all the info I've read there's nothing to suggest that NB and JB had anything other than a 'normal' father/son relationship. Unlike the relationship that existed between mother and daughter . We have on record from Dr Ferguson a very toxic/dysfunctional relationship between mother and daughter.  There's no record of any such relationship between Jeremy and any member of his immediate adoptive family unless of course you choose to believe gossip and hearsay over a registered professional.

My view is that privacy was king to the BAMBERS.  NB would not have wanted police involvement and when he realised he could not contain the situation it was sadly too late.

There's no record of how and WHEN the ammunition came to be on the work surface.

[susan]

Hello N/N  I am quite amazed at some of the knowledge steve has.  I was never under the impression Jeremy Bamber was hardly on speaking terms with his Father I have read that he had a very good relationship with his parents.  I also agree Ralph Bamber was a very private man and would prefer to handle the situation at WHF himself without involving the police but alas things were worse than he anticipated.

[Caroline R]

Hi Steve_uk.  I never said Sheila was wailing.  Is there any record of SC ever 'wailing'?  June and NB were very familiar with Sheila phoning NB late at night/early morning in a distressed state and calming her down as you have previously pointed out.

From all the info I've read there's nothing to suggest that NB and JB had anything other than a 'normal' father/son relationship. Unlike the relationship that existed between mother and daughter . We have on record from Dr Ferguson a very toxic/dysfunctional relationship between mother and daughter.  There's no record of any such relationship between Jeremy and any member of his immediate http://www.clothfairchambers.com/members_profiles/edmund_lawson_qc.htmladoptive family unless of course you choose to believe gossip and hearsay over a registered professional.

My view is that privacy was king to the BAMBERS.  NB would not have wanted police involvement and when he realised he could not contain the situation it was sadly too late.

There's no record of how and WHEN the ammunition came to be on the work surface.

Good post NN - Steve is just prone to 'poetic' license trouble is, none of it rhymes!!

[Jane]

Hello N/N  I am quite amazed at some of the knowledge steve has.  I was never under the impression Jeremy Bamber was hardly on speaking terms with his Father I have read that he had a very good relationship with his parents.  I also agree Ralph Bamber was a very private man and would prefer to handle the situation at WHF himself without involving the police but alas things were worse than he anticipated.

NaNu/Susan, hello. It is my experience that whenever any of us offer Steve a point with too much validity going for it, he resorts to soundbites  of salacious gossip such as "Jeremy said "I hate my fucking parents" and expands it to what he wants it to be. Like you both, I really don't believe there to be an iota of justification for saying that Jeremy and his father were barely speaking. HOWEVER, I just might be prepared to accept that one night when he was crying into his beer, it's possible that he MAY have voiced "dislike" of his parents. I wouldn't care to tell you how many young men I have heard uttering those words having consumed a skinfull. They're usually said about ten minutes before they throw up and the next morning they ask what they had said the previous night.

[Lugg]

I can see where you are coming from Lookout, but the fact is that AP,s rifle was not inspected  until some years after the murders.
I believe the pargeter rifle had to be kept at his home address in Bourne End, but could only be fired at WHF. I am sure Vic will put me right.[ or Harters].
Fact is there were too many silencers flying around.

So why did he take it home then?

[killingeve]

NaNu/Susan, hello. It is my experience that whenever any of us offer Steve a point with too much validity going for it, he resorts to soundbites  of salacious gossip such as "Jeremy said "I hate my fucking parents" and expands it to what he wants it to be. Like you both, I really don't believe there to be an iota of justification for saying that Jeremy and his father were barely speaking. HOWEVER, I just might be prepared to accept that one night when he was crying into his beer, it's possible that he MAY have voiced "dislike" of his parents. I wouldn't care to tell you how many young men I have heard uttering those words having consumed a skinfull. They're usually said about ten minutes before they throw up and the next morning they ask what they had said the previous night.

Here, here old bean 

Who hasn't moaned about their parents at some stage whether birth or adoptive?  Point is most don't end up discussing it with a registered professional.

I feel a bit goody two shoes as about the only thing I argued with my parents over was my playing music loudly  . My parents were really into music so they had good speakers.  When they went out and returned they would say I know you've had the music on loudly as all the ornaments have moved from the vibrations.  It was soooo funny as the ornaments were all over the place.  I just gave up trying to realign them

[Alias]

Here, here old bean 

Who hasn't moaned about their parents at some stage whether birth or adoptive?  Point is most don't end up discussing it with a registered professional.

I feel a bit goody two shoes as about the only thing I argued with my parents over was my playing music loudly  . My parents were really into music so they had good speakers.  When they went out and returned they would say I know you've had the music on loudly as all the ornaments have moved from the vibrations.  It was soooo funny as the ornaments were all over the place.  I just gave up trying to realign them

If anyone ever heard my sisters and me talking about our mother, they would call the police pronto! Just sayin´ ....
Sometimes you need to blow some steam. Everybody does it - not as badly as my sisters and I, not many anyway, but our mother is a special case!