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Re: Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013
« Reply #165 on: April 10, 2013, 03:04:PM »
Thanks Mr Blair,,another foiled terrorist attack.! You who thought it was a good idea " to get Saddam ".
These threats/attacks are paybacks,,no thanks to he who knew it all.

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« Reply #166 on: April 10, 2013, 04:04:PM »
She should have a Thatcherite funeral.  Put it out to tender and the most cost effective bidder should win the contract. Her funeral should be lean and efficient with minimum cost to the public purse.  Though I would accept a public / private partnership
And then tax it at 40%

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« Reply #167 on: April 10, 2013, 04:14:PM »
i heard theres going to be a 21 gun salute into her coffin.

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« Reply #168 on: April 10, 2013, 05:11:PM »
i heard theres going to be a 21 gun salute into her coffin.
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« Reply #169 on: April 10, 2013, 05:50:PM »
Anyway,,for all the moaning,,I've yet to see anyone down on their uppers like things used to be. Or is it a case of much wanting more.?

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« Reply #170 on: April 10, 2013, 06:37:PM »
it appears some MPs are disgusted with these open street celebrations on her passing away , what did they expect millions of people wanting councelling ?

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« Reply #171 on: April 10, 2013, 06:46:PM »
it there there own fault makeing such a big of her passing away.

if they had just had  a private a funeral everyone would of forgotten about it and moved on by now.

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« Reply #172 on: April 10, 2013, 07:10:PM »
it there there own fault makeing such a big of her passing away.

if they had just had  a private a funeral everyone would of forgotten about it and moved on by now.
It might take a generation for wounds to heal among the mining communities, a private service would have kept this type of response down, other than arresting them i cant see what they can do .

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« Reply #173 on: April 10, 2013, 07:17:PM »
i dont see how they can arrest someone for celebrating what ever the celebration.

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« Reply #174 on: April 10, 2013, 07:20:PM »
alex salmonds going to attend that should make him very poplour in Scotland.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4880663/Alex-Salmond-is-set-to-attend-Margaret-Thatchers-funeral.html

i thought hewould the little creep.
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« Reply #175 on: April 10, 2013, 07:51:PM »
What p's me off in all this is that those who loathed her will be attending her funeral.Why.?
The Blairs will be filling their boots,as usual,as will be the Kinnocks. Blair ( Bliar ) who took us unnecessarily into Iraq about some fairy-tale concerning WMD's,,of which there were none.Then when it was found he was lying,,he went after Saddam Hussein,,,who WASN'T a threat to this country,,but since his death,his legacy is now a long-lasting threat.
I didn't believe in the killing of Hussein. His treatment of his own people had nothing whatsoever to do with us,,,which proves it now with the Middle East in general as it remains on a knife-edge.

I'll eat my hat if Scargill attends the funeral,because he was another thorn in the side of the nation in trying to bring the country to its knees with the striking miners.Did he ever go to their rescue with food and money.? Of course he didn't.He scuttled off to his warm,luxurious house ( at the expense of the striking miners ) and tucked in to his gourmet meals. Quite a few of the miners by this time saw right through the shyster.
 The strikes of 1979 were horrendous also,,with bodies piling up in mortuaries,,someones mum,dad,brother,sister,granny,grandad,etc,,waiting to be buried. Rubbish piled high in the streets,then some idiot asks what the panic's all about.

Those who either weren't born,or too young to understand,will only believe what they're told as it suits the teller how it's told,,,instead of reading the truth,and that's why we're having so much conflict over a blessed funeral and its costs,,which I'm sick of hearing about when there are BILLIONS of taxpayers money going overseas every year.

Has anyone ever given someone else a foot up the ladder like Thatcher did.?
Yes,,I had a damn good run for my money when Labour were in power,because of their careless mismanagement,,but by God,,it comes right home to you when you have to pull the reins in over someone elses mistake,,which is happening right now when dozy Brown sold off the gold at a silly price when it was at its lowest price.
How near bankruptcy we were when Brown left office,I don't know,,but if he'd got us out of the mess we were in and doled money out like sweets,then I'd have stuck with it.
With the money that's sent abroad,,my idea would be to firstly give every citizen of this country £1 million pound each===roughly £65 million,,a drop in the ocean when you consider the amount which goes overseas.  Surely,,a Labour-minded person wouldn't object to that idea. What each one did with their £1 million would be up to them. A kickstart to the economy,,and everyone equal. After all,bankers,politicians and the like,help themselves to such bonuses,so why not everyone else who put them there in the first place.After all,we've all paid,still paying taxes to keep these rich merchants.
I think people have the wrong opinion of Arthur Scargill?  He was set up and led into the actions he took. First the Thatcher government brought in Ian mc gregor who had just devastated the steel industry by half, then On 6 March 1984, the National Coal Board announced that the agreement reached after the 1974 strike had become obsolete, and that in order to rationalise government subsidisation of industry they intended to close 20 coal mines, with a loss of 20,000 jobs, and many communities in the north of England as well as Scotland[7] and Wales would lose their primary source of employment. This agreement had been in place to safe guard jobs and without any conciltation was taken away.  Arthur scargill who by the way was not a member of the communist party he was a proud socialist and to hear him talk and his passion was electricfying he did lead from the front and i can remember he and his wife getting arressted.  No one wanted a strike least of all me and my family and the thousands of miners this was not about money or uperhand this was jobs people wanting to work nothing else how can anyone call anyone for wanting to work and for your children to have a future?  The tories and the tory press prepared well in advance for this Thatcher waged war on the union using tactics reserved for severe internal security threats. Government undercover agents infiltrated the union and wreaked havoc on public perceptions. At one juncture, a union official who later was alleged to be a Thatcher agent approached Libyan officials with great public fanfare asking for donations. That incident did much to turn public opinion against the miners' cause during the strike and it was this sort of tactics and the refusal of the num to go for a ballet that was the start of the downfall.  This i believe was scargills loss not going for a ballet he would have got a majority easy and the union would have been united instead of divided? He was put in place by 70 per cent majority and at his end  To demonstrate their loyalty to him in 1985 they supported controversial changes in national procedures that permitted Scargill to remain president of the N.U.M. for life, this was a man fighting to safe guard the coal industry to fight and protect the jobs for his members their children and their childrens children not someone who wanted to hold the country to ransom?


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Re: Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013
« Reply #176 on: April 10, 2013, 08:02:PM »
Hi ralf another excellent post and so informative as well.  I myself did have doubts about Arthur Scargill but now I feel he too was a victim.  So much happened that ordinary lay people like myself were not told the truth about.  The whole sorry mess was a tragedy and should never have been allowed to happen, it did and now there is no turning back as it is lost for good and I for one think it all very sad.
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« Reply #177 on: April 10, 2013, 08:25:PM »
I think people have the wrong opinion of Arthur Scargill?  He was set up and led into the actions he took. First the Thatcher government brought in Ian mc gregor who had just devastated the steel industry by half, then On 6 March 1984, the National Coal Board announced that the agreement reached after the 1974 strike had become obsolete, and that in order to rationalise government subsidisation of industry they intended to close 20 coal mines, with a loss of 20,000 jobs, and many communities in the north of England as well as Scotland[7] and Wales would lose their primary source of employment. This agreement had been in place to safe guard jobs and without any conciltation was taken away.  Arthur scargill who by the way was not a member of the communist party he was a proud socialist and to hear him talk and his passion was electricfying he did lead from the front and i can remember he and his wife getting arressted.  No one wanted a strike least of all me and my family and the thousands of miners this was not about money or uperhand this was jobs people wanting to work nothing else how can anyone call anyone for wanting to work and for your children to have a future?  The tories and the tory press prepared well in advance for this Thatcher waged war on the union using tactics reserved for severe internal security threats. Government undercover agents infiltrated the union and wreaked havoc on public perceptions. At one juncture, a union official who later was alleged to be a Thatcher agent approached Libyan officials with great public fanfare asking for donations. That incident did much to turn public opinion against the miners' cause during the strike and it was this sort of tactics and the refusal of the num to go for a ballet that was the start of the downfall.  This i believe was scargills loss not going for a ballet he would have got a majority easy and the union would have been united instead of divided? He was put in place by 70 per cent majority and at his end  To demonstrate their loyalty to him in 1985 they supported controversial changes in national procedures that permitted Scargill to remain president of the N.U.M. for life, this was a man fighting to safe guard the coal industry to fight and protect the jobs for his members their children and their childrens children not someone who wanted to hold the country to ransom?





But Ralf,,neither he nor his cohorts are " scratching around " like others are though,,and those whose wealth is gained off the backs of others,is totally obscene in my books,,and yes,it makes you very communistic in your thoughts. Those who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths,,you can guarantee it originated  from some poor sod working his guts out. The industrial revolution was an example of that. Scargill reminded me of one of those bosses from centuries ago.They were utterly horrible people. They lived in their big houses and treated their workers like slaves.
The book,,Roots is another example of slave trade instigated by the white bosses.
I'm sorry,,but Labour never lived up to their name. They ALL live in luxury,while their subjects are trying to make ends meet. This is all wrong,they're supposed to be on a par with those who vote for them. I would hate to vote for a working class party and see those politicians living the high life and living like Lords. Something's wrong,somewhere.?

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« Reply #178 on: April 10, 2013, 08:37:PM »
Hi ralf another excellent post and so informative as well.  I myself did have doubts about Arthur Scargill but now I feel he too was a victim.  So much happened that ordinary lay people like myself were not told the truth about.  The whole sorry mess was a tragedy and should never have been allowed to happen, it did and now there is no turning back as it is lost for good and I for one think it all very sad.
Thanks Susan its only after any events the truth is outed look at jeremy bamber?  Scargill was let down badly by most of the labour party led by a weak leader at the time, i feel so proud of my family and cousins and uncles who all fought to try and perserve their jobs and future. The divide always is i am afraid getting wider north and south, i lived in colchester for ten years near abbey fields it had the same population as chesterfield ten years back roughly 100,000 in the ten years i was there it was and still is booming building on such a grand scale on the old garrison it now has roughly 170,000 population chesterfield remains the same at 100,000 with everything shut down and now tesco is shuting its distribution centre and moving this down south i feel for the future of my granchildren and their children?

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But Ralf,,neither he nor his cohorts are " scratching around " like others are though,,and those whose wealth is gained off the backs of others,is totally obscene in my books,,and yes,it makes you very communistic in your thoughts. Those who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths,,you can guarantee it originated  from some poor sod working his guts out. The industrial revolution was an example of that. Scargill reminded me of one of those bosses from centuries ago.They were utterly horrible people. They lived in their big houses and treated their workers like slaves.
The book,,Roots is another example of slave trade instigated by the white bosses.
I'm sorry,,but Labour never lived up to their name. They ALL live in luxury,while their subjects are trying to make ends meet. This is all wrong,they're supposed to be on a par with those who vote for them. I would hate to vote for a working class party and see those politicians living the high life and living like Lords. Something's wrong,somewhere.?
I take your point lookout but i think you will find from an very early age before he took any foot on the ladder he fought for better working conditions for his fellow workers and not to be treated as slaves? He was voted in by a huge majority with a pay that would have been agreed by members of the union that once had 200,000 members, a lot of safe guards was put in place for him and rightly so i dont begrudge him anything and i helped pay for it.