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JUSTICE FOR ALL - read the truth about the silencer / blood Evidence

At the top of this document it reads:-

" This copy is for reading by any person who believes that justice should be done and seen to be done"

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« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 08:20:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: JUSTICE FOR ALL - read the truth about the silencer / blood Evidence
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2011, 08:28:PM »
I'm up to page 5 of that letter.

I don't think Jeremy shot his father before he phoned - Nevill couldn't have spoken once he'd been shot in the mouth. Of course if he'd not been shot in the mouth upstairs he could have, but in that case he wasn't shot four times in the bedroom. Four of the shots were to his head and I doubt that happened upstairs otherwise he couldn't have gone down to the kitchen.

The writer says that Robert Boutflour contaminated the silencer with his own blood and that he had exactly the same blood group. Well how on earth could he have known that? It's not just a matter of blood group A, B, O, or AB is it? There are other components. He couldn't possibly have known they would match.

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 08:50:PM »
I'm up to page 5 of that letter.

I don't think Jeremy shot his father before he phoned - Nevill couldn't have spoken once he'd been shot in the mouth. Of course if he'd not been shot in the mouth upstairs he could have, but in that case he wasn't shot four times in the bedroom. Four of the shots were to his head and I doubt that happened upstairs otherwise he couldn't have gone down to the kitchen.

The writer says that Robert Boutflour contaminated the silencer with his own blood and that he had exactly the same blood group. Well how on earth could he have known that? It's not just a matter of blood group A, B, O, or AB is it? There are other components. He couldn't possibly have known they would match.
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Blood Expert, John Hayward, made this witness statement at the start of Jeremy's trial in October 1986:-
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Re: JUSTICE FOR ALL - read the truth about the silencer / blood Evidence
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2011, 08:56:PM »
I have some other documents to hand about the different silencers, when they were found, and why and how the exhibit references were all altered to accommodate the suggestion that there was only just the one silencer...

Please be patient...

Photograph of "PC Whiddon" in possession of Bamber rifle and silencer (where he physically screwed silencer onto guns barrel , before both were submitted to the Lab' to be examined) and Witness statement of Christopher William Whiddon, Detective Constable, 1997:-
« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 09:13:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2011, 08:57:PM »
Mike, I'm not disputing that Robert Boutflour had the same blood group components as Sheila, I'm just saying that he couldn't possibly have known that, so planting his own blood to make it look as if it was Sheila's is a bit far fetched.

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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 09:03:PM »
Mike, I'm not disputing that Robert Boutflour had the same blood group components as Sheila, I'm just saying that he couldn't possibly have known that, so planting his own blood to make it look as if it was Sheila's is a bit far fetched.
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Not if he did know they had the same blood groups - Sheila was adopted as a baby, and Boutflour was very close to June and Ralph, it is possible that he knew the blood groups, of both Jeremy and Sheila, for these reasons, there is no evidence to show or prove that he did not know, or could not have known, on the other hand its possible that he did not know, but in any event, that being the case, Boutflour still had access to Sheila's blood from her menstruation, and he could have contaminated the silencer with a small piece of dried blood from that source...

It could be incidental that Boutflour and Sheila had the same blood groups as one another...
« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 09:05:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2011, 09:05:PM »
Mike, I'm not disputing that Robert Boutflour had the same blood group components as Sheila, I'm just saying that he couldn't possibly have known that, so planting his own blood to make it look as if it was Sheila's is a bit far fetched.
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Not if he did know they had the same blood groups - Sheila was adopted as a baby, and Boutflour was very close to June and Ralph, it is possible that he knew the blood groups, of both Jeremy and Sheila, for these reasons, there is no evidence to show or prove that he did not know, or could not have known, on the other hand its possible that he did not know, but in any event, that being the case, Boutflour still had access to Sheila's blood from her menstruation, and he could have contaminated the silencer with a small piece of dried blood from that source.....

Yes, he could have known the basic group - A, B, O, AB or whatever, but he couldn't have known all the other stuff about PGM and EAP and AK.

That's a pretty serious accusation you know. Robert Boutflour is dead so he can't be libelled, but even so ...

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2011, 09:17:PM »
Mike, I'm not disputing that Robert Boutflour had the same blood group components as Sheila, I'm just saying that he couldn't possibly have known that, so planting his own blood to make it look as if it was Sheila's is a bit far fetched.
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Not if he did know they had the same blood groups - Sheila was adopted as a baby, and Boutflour was very close to June and Ralph, it is possible that he knew the blood groups, of both Jeremy and Sheila, for these reasons, there is no evidence to show or prove that he did not know, or could not have known, on the other hand its possible that he did not know, but in any event, that being the case, Boutflour still had access to Sheila's blood from her menstruation, and he could have contaminated the silencer with a small piece of dried blood from that source.....

Yes, he could have known the basic group - A, B, O, AB or whatever, but he couldn't have known all the other stuff about PGM and EAP and AK.

That's a pretty serious accusation you know. Robert Boutflour is dead so he can't be libelled, but even so ...
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He had the same blood groups, and its possible that he did know - blood expert even conceded that the blood found in the flake could have originated from him - whether or not Boutflour knew he had the same blood group activity as Sheila, can never be proven one way of the other, but he did have the same blood group activity, and he also had access to Sheila's blood from her menstruation, he may not have deliberately contaminated the Bamber silencer with it, but he could have contaminated one of his own silencers with blood from Sheila, or his own blood...

In my opinion...

Good enough for me, I'm afraid...
« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 09:19:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: JUSTICE FOR ALL - read the truth about the silencer / blood Evidence
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2011, 09:20:PM »
Whiddon confirms silencer found by Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 09:23:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2011, 09:32:PM »
And so, as time is passing by, more and more evidence is coming to light to show that there was more than one silencer in police possession in connection with this case - (SBJ/1) found by DS "Stan" Jones at the scene on 7th August 1985, another silencer handed into DS Jones, by Peter Eaton on evening of 12th August 1985, and a different silencer (DRB/1) found in the gun cupboard, and handed over to the police, on 11th September 1985...

How could all these three different silencers, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1, all be one, and the same?

Perhaps we should look at more evidence that helps us to unravel what took place regarding the misuse of these different identical looking Parker Hale silencers?

I think we will concentrate next, on Glynis Howard, who allegedly received a silencer (SBJ/1, DB/1, DRB/1) for examination on 13th August 1985:-

Witness statement of Glynis Howard, Forensic Scientist, dated, 3rd October 1991:-
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Re: JUSTICE FOR ALL - read the truth about the silencer / blood Evidence
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2011, 09:51:PM »
And so...

The plot thickens...

Three different identical looking Parker hale silencers, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1, and three occasions when a silencer found its way into the possession of Essex police, 7th August 1985, by DS "Stan" Jones, 12th August 1985 (DB/1) when Peter Eaton handed it over to DS Jones, and on 11th September 1985 (DRB/1) which was handed over to the police by Ann Eaton...

Three different submission dates of a silencer to the Lab' - 13th August 1985 (SBJ/1), 30th August 1985 (DB/1) and 26th September 1985 (DRB/1)...

Now...

Which of these silencers had the blood on and in it?

Which of these silencers had the scratch mark on it?

Which of these silencers had the grey hair stuck to its end cap?

Which of these silencers had the flake of blood inside it that matched blood group activity same as Sheila's and Boutflours?

Which of these silencers had the paint from the aga upon it?

So many different identical looking Parker hale silencers, some with more blood inside and upon them, than others, some with no paint from aga on, some with no flake of blood inside...

How can anyone believe that there was only one silencer in the possession of the police in  connection with this case? How can anyone believe that there was only one silencer that was sent to the Lab' to be examined on all these different occasions? How can anyone believe that the same silencer which was handed over or which came into the possession of the police on no less than three separate occasions, could be one and the same silencer?

Which silencer got checked for DNA?

SBJ/1?
DB/1?
DRB/1?

The plot thickens...

We move on in search of more clues, and more evidence...
« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 10:07:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: JUSTICE FOR ALL - read the truth about the silencer / blood Evidence
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2011, 10:15:PM »
Witness statement of Ronald Walter Cook (SOC) dated, 24th October 1985:-
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2011, 10:18:PM »
Who is Whiddon, and what is that document?


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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2011, 10:20:PM »
Who is Whiddon, and what is that document?
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PC Whiddon, exhibits officer at trial, and extract is taken from his statement...
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2011, 10:26:PM »
Exhibit Labels falsified
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