How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?

[Caroline]

I have thought about that - especially after reading a letter Jeremy wrote Julie after the verdict (don´t remember how long after, could be years). It came back unopened.
What he wrote - and din´t write - gave me an uneasy feeling.

What did/didn't it say?

[Adam]

Steve, have you considered that Julie was party -by association- to Jeremy's plan and went along with it because she assumed they'd be married. On discovering that marriage isn't on the cards, she tells just enough of the story to incense her friend, who goes to the police. Julie then gets her own story in, obviously leaving out her full involvement. Jeremy can't tell the police how involved Julie is without admitting his own guilt, something he's always denied and Julie can't reveal all she knows because it COULD upset her new life. COULD it be that each is holding the other to ransom?

Well they had been together 18 months. Living in separate parts of the country. The relationship being in decline for the last six months.

Both were young going in different directions.  Julie getting her second degree. Bamber on the farm

So not sure she was desperate to marry Bamber.

Full involvement ? Did she steal June's bike ?

[Steve_uk]

Steve, have you considered that Julie was party -by association- to Jeremy's plan and went along with it because she assumed they'd be married. On discovering that marriage isn't on the cards, she tells just enough of the story to incense her friend, who goes to the police. Julie then gets her own story in, obviously leaving out her full involvement. Jeremy can't tell the police how involved Julie is without admitting his own guilt, something he's always denied and Julie can't reveal all she knows because it COULD upset her new life. COULD it be that each is holding the other to ransom?

Anything is possible April,but Jeremy's nickname being Tommy Rot Talker of d'Arcy did she just go with the flow and ignore what was coming from his mouth? Lookout makes valid points in her post and of course Julie should have protected herself by informing the intended victims. I can't understand why she can throw a bar of soap at him in a supermarket yet not risk his ire by challenging him at every turn of this monstrous plot.

[Jane]

Anything is possible April,but Jeremy's nickname being Tommy Rot Talker of d'Arcy did she just go with the flow and ignore what was coming from his mouth? Lookout makes valid points in her post and of course Julie should have protected herself by informing the intended victims. I can't understand why she can throw a bar of soap at him in a supermarket yet not risk his ire by challenging him at every turn of this monstrous plot.

Steve, it does rather raise the question of what her priorities were.

[Alias]

What did/didn't it say?

To me it seemed he was dancing around someting which he didn´t say straight out. It is a long time since I read that letter, I wouldn´t know where to look for it.
As far as I remember, he did not say, stress, emphasize that he was innocent. The letter was in a comprehensive, soft tone, not angry as you would expect.
Nothing really palpable, just gave me pause for thought. And doubt.

[Jane]

Well they had been together 18 months. Living in separate parts of the country. The relationship being in decline for the last six months.

Both were young going in different directions.  Julie getting her second degree. Bamber on the farm

So not sure she was desperate to marry Bamber.

Full involvement ? Did she steal June's bike ?

Adam, perhaps we can continue this conversation when you have something sensible to contribute without making wild and meaningless statements.

[Caroline]

To me it seemed he was dancing around someting which he didn´t say straight out. It is a long time since I read that letter, I wouldn´t know where to look for it.
As far as I remember, he did not say, stress, emphasize that he was innocent. The letter was in a comprehensive, soft tone, not angry as you would expect.
Nothing really palpable, just gave me pause for thought. And doubt.

I wonder if it is on the forum?

[Adam]

Adam, perhaps we can continue this conversation when you have something sensible to contribute without making wild and meaningless statements.

I am just going to discuss the case from now on April.

You can make digs at me. Because you have nothing to say on the case. You gave up arguing Bamber's innocence after I battered you when I joined.

It was flattering when I became you're new 'only' purpose in life. Now it's boring. In fact I will call you 'boring' April from now on.

Of course I will PM the moderators and report you if appropriate.

[Jane]

I wonder if it is on the forum?

Caroline, I can recall knowing about it, but then I remember knowing about the Monastery incident too. Not AT ALL saying it's the same thing, but being taken for a ride DOES tend to make one a little wary

[Adam]

Anything is possible April,but Jeremy's nickname being Tommy Rot Talker of d'Arcy did she just go with the flow and ignore what was coming from his mouth? Lookout makes valid points in her post and of course Julie should have protected herself by informing the intended victims. I can't understand why she can throw a bar of soap at him in a supermarket yet not risk his ire by challenging him at every turn of this monstrous plot.

I thought Julie said she was throwing the soap to him. And it hit him on the head ?

[lookout]

I thought Julie said she was throwing the soap to him. And it hit him on the head ?

I think you're forgetting that Julie had a vile temper.

[Adam]

I think you're forgetting that Julie had a vile temper.

Best not become a teacher then.

[Steve_uk]

I thought Julie said she was throwing the soap to him. And it hit him on the head ?

My reading of it was they had some tiff about what brand to buy and Julie threw a bar of soap at him. It just makes me wonder why she risked getting his back up on this incident(they made up outside in the car park)yet didn't feel moved to tell him she wouldn't stand for any kind of murder plot. To be charitable to her I believe every time he brought it up she told him she didn't want to hear it,and her statement was a condensation of almost two years they had spent together.

[lookout]

I think you're forgetting that Julie had a vile temper.

Remember her putting the pillow over the head of a " murderer " and saying that if she couldn't have him nobody else would ? She meant it too !

[Adam]

My reading of it was they had some tiff about what brand to buy and Julie threw a bar of soap at him. It just makes me wonder why she risked getting his back up on this incident(they made up outside in the car park)yet didn't feel moved to tell him she wouldn't stand for any kind of murder plot. To be charitable to her I believe every time he brought it up she told him she didn't want to hear it,and her statement was a condensation of almost two years they had spent together.

Arguing about soap ?

Julie's WS says she threw it to him and it hit his head.