They denied seeing a figure at bedroom window, but forget about female body...

[Lugg]

He didn't finish the relationship;he told her he needed her at Goldhanger,but Julie realized soon enough that he would install Anji Greaves in the Maida Vale flat. Julie was far too dangerous to dump,which is why he moved a settee for her after the supposed break-up to her new flat in Hither Green.

But he did dump her didn't he.

[Steve_uk]

But he did dump her didn't he.

No Lugg he did not. He would have installed her in Bourtree Cottage and gone on with London life had Julie endured it.

[Lugg]

No Lugg he did not. He would have installed her in Bourtree Cottage and gone on with London life had Julie endured it.

So you're saying that she dumped him then?

[Steve_uk]

So you're saying that she dumped him then?

Evidently when Jeremy realized Julie had gone to the Police at the behest of Julie's social circle then the relationship was over.

[Lugg]

Evidently when Jeremy realized Julie had gone to the Police at the behest of Julie's social circle then the relationship was over.

If my memory serves me correctly she went to the police after he had slept with her best friend? Which I believe was the same person who persuaded her to go to the police? Am I correct?

[Steve_uk]

If my memory serves me correctly she went to the police after he had slept with her best friend? Which I believe was the same person who persuaded her to go to the police? Am I correct?

No she had gone to Karen and Andrew Bishop's house at that stage.

[vidvic]

They denied seeing a figure at bedroom window, but forget about female body...

PS Bews, and PC Myall, were in the grounds of the farmhouse, in the company of Jeremy Bamber (doing a recce), when they all saw what appeared to be a figure at the bedroom window - if this was true, then Jeremy could not have killed everyone inside the farmhouse, and stage managed his sisters body there in the bedroom, to make it look like she had taken her own life after killing everyone. Police have since gone on record as saying, it was a trick of light which panicked them, there was no-one alive inside the farmhouse at that time, because Jeremy had already killed everyone of them, before leaving the scene, and calling the police...

Ok, these two police officers get away with introducing a poxy explanation, but in so doing they have to conceal the contents of radio messages, passed from the scene upon immediately returning to the patrol car to give a situation report, about what they had just witnessed, and making a request for the firearms team to be sent out. So, if we are to believe all that bullshit, the firearms team are summoned to the scene because of a trick of light - oh well, you can choose to believe whatever you want to believe, regarding that nonsense...

Has nothing to do with the window whatsoever. Never had. Can I remind you that it was you, in prison, that pointed out the significance of someone being alive in the house to Bamber?

[mike tesko]

Has nothing to do with the window whatsoever. Never had. Can I remind you that it was you, in prison, that pointed out the significance of someone being alive in the house to Bamber?

Can I also remind you that itt was Jeremy who after being told by police that all his family were dead inside the farmhouse,  that Jeremy complained to PS Saxby (CA07), that he believed police had shot and killed them all. Ley me also remind you; that upon being told by Saxby that he was accusing police officers of shooting everyone dead, Jeremy added, that it must have been the men who went toward tthe farmhouse carryong guns who had shot them...

It should be obvious to everyone that at the time Jeremy made this complaint that he was not aware that anyone had been shot, let alone killed, at any stage before the raid team went in at 7:38am...

[Roch]

Can I also remind you that itt was Jeremy who after being told by police that all his family were dead inside the farmhouse,  that Jeremy complained to PS Saxby (CA07), that he believed police had shot and killed them all. Ley me also remind you; that upon being told by Saxby that he was accusing police officers of shooting everyone dead, Jeremy added, that it must have been the men who went toward tthe farmhouse carryong guns who had shot them...

It should be obvious to everyone that at the time Jeremy made this complaint that he was not aware that anyone had been shot, let alone killed, at any stage before the raid team went in at 7:38am...

This is what I have long believed.  It makes no sense to me that Jeremy would be party to everyone (police etc) all waiting outside a totally silent farmhouse, from which there has been 'no response to challenges' because everyone is already dead... but for him then to aportion blame to the 'men with the guns'.  It's an absurd notion that part of Jeremy's alleged plan of 'pinning it on Sheila' should include a bizarre side-track of blaming the armed police.

It seems more a case of there having been a genuine belief of those present on the morning, that there were people still alive inside the farmhouse, which to me indicates that the farmhouse was not silent. 

[Lugg]

This is what I have long believed.  It makes no sense to me that Jeremy would be party to everyone (police etc) all waiting outside a totally silent farmhouse, from which there has been 'no response to challenges' because everyone is already dead... but for him then to aportion blame to the 'men with the guns'.  It's an absurd notion that part of Jeremy's alleged plan of 'pinning it on Sheila' should include a bizarre side-track of blaming the armed police.

It seems more a case of there having been a genuine belief of those present on the morning, that there were people still alive inside the farmhouse, which to me indicates that the farmhouse was not silent.

A common sense post as usual Roch.

[Caroline R]

No Lugg he did not. He would have installed her in Bourtree Cottage and gone on with London life had Julie endured it.

Rubbish!! It's quite evident that JB's life had no future plans for Julie and she knew it. He was making arrangements to see other women  and made no secret of it! He told Liz Rimmington (who also slept with him) that all plans to marry Julie were off after the death of his family and I'm sure she broke her neck to tell Julie. And Brett's engagement announcement that ended up in embarrassment for Julie; were all shouts through a loud hailer that the relationship was doomed.

She must have been seething!! So, when she found out that Liz Rimmington had slept with him it was the last straw and what better way to get back at him than to implicate him in the deaths of his family!!

[Lugg]

Rubbish!! It's quite evident that JB's life had no future plans for Julie and she knew it. He was making arrangements to see other women  and made no secret of it! He told Liz Rimmington (who also slept with him) that all plans to marry Julie were off after the death of his family and I'm sure she broke her neck to tell Julie. And Brett's engagement announcement that ended up in embarrassment for Julie; were all shouts through a loud hailer that the relationship was doomed.

She must have been seething!! So, when she found out that Liz Rimmington had slept with him it was the last straw and what better way to get back at him than to implicate him in the deaths of his family!!

And notice that it was a lie that grew as it progessed. At first I think she only wanted to cause suspicion to to be cast on him by saying things like, "He told me such and such". Instead of outright accusing him, wherein she would have had to commit herself to a downright lie. After that first step I wonder if her lie took on a life of its own. I suspect. Of course I could be wrong?

[guest7363]

This is what I have long believed.  It makes no sense to me that Jeremy would be party to everyone (police etc) all waiting outside a totally silent farmhouse, from which there has been 'no response to challenges' because everyone is already dead... but for him then to aportion blame to the 'men with the guns'.  It's an absurd notion that part of Jeremy's alleged plan of 'pinning it on Sheila' should include a bizarre side-track of blaming the armed police.

It seems more a case of there having been a genuine belief of those present on the morning, that there were people still alive inside the farmhouse, which to me indicates that the farmhouse was not silent.

Jeremy was there did he hear the police with the guns shoot his family. Rubbish same as the phone call, any son would have been at the scene before police arrived, any son would have kicked the door in and investigated before the police arrived. total rubbish. All them hours outside and wild horses would not have stopped me going in.

[mike tesko]

At the end of the day, the occupants of CA07 were the ones who relayed messages from the scene at whf, to the control room, between 7;38am and 8;10am, and whatever transpired, they believed two bodies had been found downstairs, and a further three upstairs. They were convinced that the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female had been found by 7;38am, and that one of these two bodies was a murder, the other was a suicide...

[Caroline R]

And notice that it was a lie that grew as it progessed. At first I think she only wanted to cause suspicion to to be cast on him by saying things like, "He told me such and such". Instead of outright accusing him, wherein she would have had to commit herself to a downright lie. After that first step I wonder if her lie took on a life of its own. I suspect. Of course I could be wrong?

Thus is also what I believe!! I think we all know someone who is a little like that. I know I do. Individuals that start small then embroider the lie either to seek revenge or seek attention.