The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...

[Reader]

That's called wishful thinking, shonapugs. Even the original jury didn't all know it, as they didn't all vote guilty. Taff Jones didn't know it, and he was in charge of the investigation! Keep on telling blatant lies, though, as that reassures us a lot that you're reduced to posting plain nonsense.

[shonapugs]

That's called wishful thinking, shonapugs. Even the original jury didn't all know it, as they didn't all vote guilty. Taff Jones didn't know it, and he was in charge of the investigation! Keep on telling blatant lies, though, as that reassures us a lot that you're reduced to posting plain nonsense.

Tch. You should be called RUDER!!

[Reader]

No offence intended. I notice that you don't deny what I stated about the jury and Taff Jones.

[shonapugs]

No offence intended. I notice that you don't deny what I stated about the jury and Taff Jones.

I could, Rudy, if I could be arsed....but what's the point? Everyone on this forum thinks that Bamber is a twinkley-eyed scamp, and the rest of the world knows that he is a murderer. Sorry, a bit radical, but true, nontheless. Your posts are cool and interesting, though. I must go, if Roch catches me on here, he'll spank me. Again.

[Reader]

Definitely not everyone on this forum, as I don't.

[mike tesko]

But Mike, according to Anthony Pargeter, David Boutflour told him that the silencer had paint on it. From a pro guilt point of view, there is an explanation of how paint from the aga surround had gotten onto the silencer, and it is held to be damning evidence of Bamber’s guilt.  On the other hand, if you are convinced that Jeremy is innocent, the paint on the silencer indicates evidence tampering and nothing less.

How could the silencer David Boutflour found have paint on it if it had never left that cupboard since before the murders. If it had paint on it, somebody must have removed it from the cupboard to scratch the aga with it and then put it back-possibly with further contamination added.

I do not believe that red paint from the aga was found on the sound moderator (DRB/1) found in the gun cupboard, it is much more likely that paint from the aga, (if any paint at all was present on a sound moderator) was present on the silencer (DB/1) owned by Anthony Pargeter. You see, nobody knows when David Boutflour is supposed to have mentioned to Anthony Pargeter, that paint had been found on the sound moderator, of if by that stage police had shown David Boutflour the sound moderator (DB/1) taken from Anthony Pargeter, and that Boutflour mistook the silencer (DB/1) he was being shown, as the one (DRB/1) Boutflour found earlier? It is very interesting that paint was not first noticed on the end of the sound moderator at the lab', until after the second submission of a silencer to the lab' on 30th August 1985. Lets get the facts right, not one police officer, or any expert says anything about seeing any paint on the end of silencer (DB/1) before or until that second silencer arrived at the lab' on 30th August 1985. David Boutflour, himself, did not make a witness statement mentioning the presence of paint on the silencer (DRB/1) he found, until after that date...

There is no evidence at all, to prove there was any paint on the end of the silencer (DRB/1) David Boutflour found in the gun cupboard on 10th August 1985, until after the second silencer (DB/1) arrived at the lab', on 30th August 1985 - if any such evidence exists, then please point me in its direction, so that I may comment upon it...

[mike tesko]

I do not believe that red paint from the aga was found on the sound moderator (DRB/1) found in the gun cupboard, it is much more likely that paint from the aga, (if any paint at all was present on a sound moderator) was present on the silencer (DB/1) owned by Anthony Pargeter. You see, nobody knows when David Boutflour is supposed to have mentioned to Anthony Pargeter, that paint had been found on the sound moderator, of if by that stage police had shown David Boutflour the sound moderator (DB/1) taken from Anthony Pargeter, and that Boutflour mistook the silencer (DB/1) he was being shown, as the one (DRB/1) Boutflour found earlier? It is very interesting that paint was not first noticed on the end of the sound moderator at the lab', until after the second submission of a silencer to the lab' on 30th August 1985. Lets get the facts right, not one police officer, or any expert says anything about seeing any paint on the end of silencer (DB/1) before or until that second silencer arrived at the lab' on 30th August 1985. David Boutflour, himself, did not make a witness statement mentioning the presence of paint on the silencer (DRB/1) he found, until after that date...

There is no evidence at all, to prove there was any paint on the end of the silencer (DRB/1) David Boutflour found in the gun cupboard on 10th August 1985, until after the second silencer (DB/1) arrived at the lab', on 30th August 1985 - if any such evidence exists, then please point me in its direction, so that I may comment upon it...

It is also very significant to note, that it was not until the 11th September 1985, that David Boutflour first contacted the police by telephone, to report to them that he had found a silencer in the cupboard at the scene a month earlier...

By that stage, (do not forget) a silencer (DB/1) had already been sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985, so it is odd, or a racing certainty, that Anthony Pargeter and David Boutflour had been in touch with one another concerning the interest shown in the Pargeter silencer by the police, before David Boutflour decided to contact the police by telephone on 11th September 1985, to report the find of the silencer a month previously (10th August 1985) - so here lies a truth conundrum for everyone to think about...

[lookout]

I find it strange that nobody questioned each other about the " findings ". Wouldn't the police find it odd that something like that wasn't found during investigation.? Then the relatives questioning why these things were " overlooked ". It's iffy if you ask me. A very convenient afterthought after much discussion.!

[-Harters-]

I'm slightly surprised by references to the gun cupboard as being "very deep". The cupboard was under the rear stairs, so its depth was a bit less than the width of those stairs, not particularly deep. There was nothing to suggest the silencer was hidden; it was not loose, so it would not have been found unless a thorough search was made of the cupboard, and clearly the police didn't do that or they would have found a silencer there. Apparently, they were simply looking for the weapons that they had been told were usually kept in the farmhouse.

That's correct, although the cupboard continues under the first four treads of the stair (to the right), so the depth may relate to that and the awkwardness of retrieving items from the back due to the diminishing head height.

[susan]

Morning Reader  I only post on the forum what I consider to be facts told to me by one who knows about the cupboard.  Maybe I did not word it correctly but it would seem anything at the back of the cupboard would not be obvious at first glance.  But I am sure Yeltrah has explained it better than I did.

[lookout]

Maybe the cops should have carried torches.?

[susan]

Hi lookout  I was under the impression DB found this silencer days after the shootings.  From what I was told it would not be obvious at first.

[mike tesko]

Since David Boutflour did not contact Essex police about the find of the silencer (DRB/1)  in the cupboard at the scene on 10th August 1985, until 11th September 1985, it beggars belief that the two sound moderators sent to the lab' prior to the 11th September 1985, namely, SBJ/1 (lab' item number 22), sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985, and DB/1 (lab' item number 23), sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985, could be the same silencer he was referring to, in his call to the police on the 11th September 1985 - how can a silencer (DRB/1) which David Boutflour did not report to Essex police until 11th September 1985, be sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985 (SBJ/1 - lab' item number 22), and 30th August 1985 (DB/1 - lab' item number 23), to be examined by experts, Howard and Fletcher, on those occasiones, I am sorry but if this is what happened, I cannot accept that any evidence obtained from the examination of a silencer, on or after each of those occasions (13th and 30th August 1985) can seriously be treated as legitimate evidence, since the integrity of the silencer, sent to the lab' on those occasions (before 11th September 1985) is well and truly compromised...

[lookout]

Hi lookout  I was under the impression DB found this silencer days after the shootings.  From what I was told it would not be obvious at first.

Susan,,,I still find it strange that the police didn't look thoroughly,,yet the rellies knew where to look.?

[mike tesko]

Since David Boutflour did not contact Essex police about the find of the silencer (DRB/1)  in the cupboard at the scene on 10th August 1985, until 11th September 1985, it beggars belief that the two sound moderators sent to the lab' prior to the 11th September 1985, namely, SBJ/1 (lab' item number 22), sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985, and DB/1 (lab' item number 23), sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985, could be the same silencer he was referring to, in his call to the police on the 11th September 1985 - how can a silencer (DRB/1) which David Boutflour did not report to Essex police until 11th September 1985, be sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985 (SBJ/1 - lab' item number 22), and 30th August 1985 (DB/1 - lab' item number 23), to be examined by experts, Howard and Fletcher, on those occasiones, I am sorry but if this is what happened, I cannot accept that any evidence obtained from the examination of a silencer, on or after each of those occasions (13th and 30th August 1985) can seriously be treated as legitimate evidence, since the integrity of the silencer, sent to the lab' on those occasions (before 11th September 1985) is well and truly compromised...

If any of this is true, then surely everyone can see that Jeremy Bamber has been stitched up for these five murders, by a reliance upon dodgy paint, and blood evidence, linked to one of three dodgy silencers, sent to the lab', before the person who allegedly finds it, reports to Essex police that he found it (a month after he found it)...