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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2013, 04:43:PM »
There are three blood splots and two wounds mike.is the top one a wound or just blood wich has gathered at that spot.and wich wound was the fatal wound mike the top one or the bottom one?

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2013, 04:44:PM »
"Once police took possession of this sound moderator, where was it stored, and was an official record made of it falling into the possession of Essex police, as part of the on going investigation, into the five deaths, at whf"...

What next?

"Establish whether or not, this was the very same sound moderator, kept by DCI "Taff" Jones, on his desk, at Witham police station"...

What next?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 04:46:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2013, 04:47:PM »
And another thing mike the house was searched from top to bottom for three days why easnt the sillencer found.and what do u need a sillencer for on a farm.those things are what hitmen use.but im not going to open that old chesenut lil.

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2013, 04:49:PM »
"Establish whether or not, this was the very same sound moderator, kept by DCI "Taff" Jones, on his desk, at Witham police station"...

What next?

"Obtain a copy of DCI Jones report on the sound moderator (currently withheld, or not yet disclosed), to confirm why he retained it on his desk, rather than have it placed in general storage in the police propert store"...What Next?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 04:55:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2013, 04:51:PM »
I know essex police messed it all up and there is the photos proving rigor had not set in.but there clearly was a silencer usedd.maybe the cops took it away never recorded it got it all mixed up.then relised they had to get more evidence and frame him for something he did do.

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2013, 04:58:PM »
Mike can you get back to me pls?

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2013, 05:01:PM »
I know essex police messed it all up and there is the photos proving rigor had not set in.but there clearly was a silencer usedd.maybe the cops took it away never recorded it got it all mixed up.then relised they had to get more evidence and frame him for something he did do.

Yes, I will go along with your account that a sound moderator (silencer) was used in the shooting of Sheila to the side of her neck, but there is no additional evidence to prove, or show that a sound moderator was used on the gun which fired any of the other 24 bullet wounds, to Sheila and the other victims, it was staff at Birdwell Armoury and myself (2004) who identified the mark around the lower non fatal entry wound on Sheila's neck, as having been made by a sound moderator, although Jeremy and others suggest that a silencer did not make this mark, I disagree with that view, I think a silencer was fitted to the end of the guns barrel which fired the non fatal shot across Sheila's neck...
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2013, 05:15:PM »
Mike what happened next .she took the silencer of whilst in grate pain and washed it and put it away and why if she was going to kill herself whith the next round mike?

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2013, 05:18:PM »
I know essex police messed it all up and there is the photos proving rigor had not set in.but there clearly was a silencer usedd.maybe the cops took it away never recorded it got it all mixed up.then relised they had to get more evidence and frame him for something he did do.

Police seized a sound moderator (SBJ/1 - lab' item number 22) from the scene, on the morning of 7th August 1985, albeit they are denying having done so. I will give my reasons for saying I know police took possession of a silencer from the scene on that occasion - DS "Stan" Jones attended the scene on the morning of 7th August 1985, arriving there along with DCI "Taff" Jones, at about 9:10am. Upon arrival and soon afterwards, DCI Jones asked DS Jones to accompany Jeremy back to his home address and obtain a witness statement from him. DS Jones then left the scene in the company of DC Clark and Jeremy and went to his cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, but once the first witness statement had been taken from Jeremy, DS Jones returned to the scene at whf, and carried out certain duties, which included the taking of photographs of the downstairs toilet, and the main kitchen. In addition, DS Jones took possesion of two items for evidential purposes, one item being a sound moderator (SBJ/1). In total, DS Jones took possession of four exhibits that morning, SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4, all the details of which (with the exception of the silencer, SBJ/1) were recorded in the original police major incident register...

Once the nature of the police investigation changed after about a month, from an investigation into four murders and a suicide, into one of five murders, police created another edited version of the original major incident register, exclusing any reference to any of the exhibuits seized from the scene by DS Jones, on the morning of 7th August 1985. This ommission appears to have been a deliberate attempt to conceal for the fact that DS Jones took possession of a silencer (SBJ/1) from the scene at the beginning of the investigation, so that the case for the silencer found by relatrives three days later to beciome incorporated into the case evidence...
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2013, 05:19:PM »
Mike what happened next .she took the silencer of whilst in grate pain and washed it and put it away and why if she was going to kill herself whith the next round mike?

She did not shoot herself with a silencer fitted to the guns barrel...
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2013, 05:23:PM »
Jeremy and his experts dispute that a sound moderator (silencer) was used at all in the shootings, although I think they are all wrong...
« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 05:25:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2013, 05:26:PM »
bigdave  silencers are used on farms for shooting rabbits as the loud shot would frighten every other rabbit off around the whole field whereas with the silencer fitted this would not happen. Kill more rabbits this way :(

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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2013, 05:28:PM »
So now you are saying that the moderator was used on one wound and not the other mike.so what your saying is that she shot herself .then took the moderator of then cleaned it.and put it away then shot herself again.is that what your saying?

I am not saying Sheila shot herself once with the silencer fitted to the guns barrel, and then she took it off and wiped it clean, before putting it away - although what I am saying is that one of the two wounds on her neck, was inflicted by use of a silencer, and the other one was not...
« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 05:53:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2013, 05:30:PM »
Can I say I am a but confused, but on saying that I have not read everything on this thread.  I will go with what the expert said when he did his examination on the contact wounds to Sheila and, that it was in his opinion that a silencer was not fitted when Sheila was shot.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeLsEeE0zTI

Are you guys saying that a silencer was fitted on the first wound to Sheila....I don't think the silencer was ever fitted...but that is my opinion.   :) :) :) :) :)



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Re: The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2013, 05:31:PM »
Mike if a sillencer was used.jeremy has to be the culprit.sheila if she did shoot herself with the first shot.would have been in to much pain.and the first shot would not have killed her but she would not have lasted long.mike.your telling me she shot herself once then took the silencer of put it away then went upstairs and shot herself.come on mike lol.