I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...

[vidvic]

Hi Grahame  I also read that Jeremy was travelling very slowly and I do declare he was critized for it by a certain poster on our forum

I find it completely unbelievable that he responded so slowly.

[lookout]

Vic,,I'm almost sure that murder wouldn't have been on Jeremys' mind at the time,,hence his slower speed while the cops were around. It would seem that whatever Jeremy did,or didn't do,,he couldn't do right for doing wrong.

[Alias]

Pity the police hadn't got anything else to do other than see how fast/slow Jeremy was travelling. It would have been the normal 30mph,,and would have been " the big I ams " who'd have been belting along at break-neck speed,as usual.
Jeremy had already been done for speeding anyway,,so he didn't want another scenario.

I don´t think a speeding ticket was on his mind that particular night, I think he was afraid of what lay ahead and didn´t want to arrive at the farm alone prior to the police.
I find that very understandable.

[vidvic]

Vic,,I'm almost sure that murder wouldn't have been on Jeremys' mind at the time,,hence his slower speed while the cops were around. It would seem that whatever Jeremy did,or didn't do,,he couldn't do right for doing wrong.

"Sheila's got the gun......" - Nothing to worry him there! Phone Witham, phone Chelmsford, slow drive to the farm... all perfectly normal behaviour...

[maggie]

I don´t think a speeding ticket was on his mind that particular night, I think he was afraid of what lay ahead and didn´t want to arrive at the farm alone prior to the police.
I find that very understandable.

I agree Alias and contrary to what others think if you have ever been in a similar situation and I have but without the gun, fortunately with a different outcome you do actually drive slowly and carefully.  When in a state of shock or fear we tend to do things in a slow and orderly fashion.  I agree we always expect we would fly along, adrenaline coursing through our veins to the rescue but in my own experience that is not the way it happens.

[lookout]

"Sheila's got the gun......" - Nothing to worry him there! Phone Witham, phone Chelmsford, slow drive to the farm... all perfectly normal behaviour...

Vic,,it hadn't been the first time that Sheila had threatened with a gun ( so I read somewhere ) but that time,Neville was able to retrieve it,and there was no harm done. Not sure if Neville had rang that time,for help either.....I don't think he did,actually as there was no need.

[susan]

Alias/Maggie I agree I think it is quite understandable that Jeremy would travel quite slowly apprehensive of what he was to find.  Can't wait for Mason Doyle's book because we are going to get so many factual explanations and these will clear up many of the stories amd myths on this forum.

[Alias]

Alias/Maggie I agree I think it is quite understandable that Jeremy would travel quite slowly apprehensive of what he was to find.  Can't wait for Mason Doyle's book because we are going to get so many factual explanations and these will clear up many of the stories amd myths on this forum.

I hope I can buy it on Amazon.

[maggie]

Alias/Maggie I agree I think it is quite understandable that Jeremy would travel quite slowly apprehensive of what he was to find.  Can't wait for Mason Doyle's book because we are going to get so many factual explanations and these will clear up many of the stories amd myths on this forum.

It's true susan, we do go into a different mind set in such a situation.  I had to drive 5 miles down country roads, no cars about but I was intent on concentrating on my speed and my driving, worried in case I was stopped for speeding or had an accident.  There was no one but myself on the road as it was about 2am it was very strange. 
Yes, am very much looking forward to MDs book. I'm sure he will tell it from a different angle.  Should be so interesting to here the truth behind the myths and legends. 

[maggie]

I hope I can buy it on Amazon.

I'm sure you will be able to Alias but if not we can get it to you somehow.

[susan]

Maggie I have just had a thought think the book by Carol Ann Lee who I strongly suspect reads the forum but has not introduced herself to us like Mason Doyle did will be publishing an anti Jeremy Bamber book.  Other little factors are making me think this as well.  If I am wrong I will dance on hot coals after all she is a Yorkshire Lass

[Reader]

Jeremy was told to speak to the police on arrival, not approach the farmhouse alone. We don't know his exact time of arrival as a logged time of 03:50 could be 03:50:05 or 03:50:55. Jeremy hasn't commented on his speed. The police considered he was driving relatively slowly as they passed him, but that's just an estimate by police in a car travelling at high speed, and Jeremy may have slowed to make it easier for their police car to pass his car. Jeremy could have averaged 25 mph and taken about 8 1/2 minutes in total, having departed at 3:42am. We know that is feasible as mike tesko has posted a video on youtube of himself driving the same journey in under 7 1/2 minutes, including a short stop while he talked to camera.

[maggie]

Maggie I have just had a thought think the book by Carol Ann Lee who I strongly suspect reads the forum but has not introduced herself to us like Mason Doyle did will be publishing an anti Jeremy Bamber book.  Other little factors are making me think this as well.  If I am wrong I will dance on hot coals after all she is a Yorkshire Lass

At least it would warm up your toes Susie.  A novel experience for someone in the frozen North.
It seems very possible this may be the case and Carol Ann Lee does read the forum.  She has never introduced herself which is a shame and am not sure who she has spoken to about the facts and many myths about the crime.

[vidvic]

Vic,,it hadn't been the first time that Sheila had threatened with a gun ( so I read somewhere ) but that time,Neville was able to retrieve it,and there was no harm done. Not sure if Neville had rang that time,for help either.....I don't think he did,actually as there was no need.

Are you trying to start another myth?

[vidvic]

Alias/Maggie I agree I think it is quite understandable that Jeremy would travel quite slowly apprehensive of what he was to find.  Can't wait for Mason Doyle's book because we are going to get so many factual explanations and these will clear up many of the stories amd myths on this forum.

What factual explanations??!! All the known facts are on this forum. I'm sure it will be well researched though.