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Offline mike tesko

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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2013, 05:36:AM »
Surely it's time you got bamber out of prison now mike?
Itemised billing? Photo on the bed?

Not to mention the fact that the City of London police investigation uncovered evidence that ACC Simpson had possession of photographic material from the scene which was never part of the official photographic record disclosed to Bambers legal team, which Simpson used in training exercise lectures. These photographs included the ones of June Bamber and Sheila on the bed, and Ralph sprawled out on the kitchen floor, before police readjusted his body with his head in the coal bucket net to the aga...
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2013, 05:49:AM »
Evidence of the two different phone calls (3.26am and 3.36am) which became merged into the same call, can be found here:-

First thing we need to do, is to establish on the reverse of which log was written the continuance sheet shown below...
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2013, 06:18:AM »
Both logs were written by different people, at different times, relating to two separate incidents, firstly the Bonnet log (3.26am) was made in connection with Ralphs call to the police, whilst the second log (3.36am) is written in connection with Jeremys later call to the police...

How can this be proven?

Well, a part from the contents of both logs being different, where one (3.26am) refers to what the father told police, whilst the other (3.36am) deals with what Jeremy told police, what we have got is something unique mentioned on both logs, which is left unanswered, something which either applies to both logs, or one or other of them, and that is the disclosure of continuation log details on the reverse, linked to the key parts of the front page of one of the logs, the entry P.T.O.

Here is the key continuation sheet:-
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2013, 06:31:AM »
Something is handwritten on the reverse of both page 1 log contents, where it could only have been written on one of them, this opens up the possibility that on the reverse of Bonnets 3.26am log, was recorded more details about the call made by Ralph to police on that occasion, as opposed to the continuation of PC Wests  log on the reverse of his log dealing with the call from Jeremy at 3.36am...
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2013, 06:53:AM »
Something is handwritten on the reverse of both page 1 log contents, where it could only have been written on one of them, this opens up the possibility that on the reverse of Bonnets 3.26am log, was recorded more details about the call made by Ralph to police on that occasion, as opposed to the continuation of PC Wests  log on the reverse of his log dealing with the call from Jeremy at 3.36am...

What makes this interesting is that Bonnets log (3.26am) suggests that he (Bonnet) received the information he recorded from 1990 (PC West) in this log, but the contents which Bonnet records do not match that which PC West later records on page 1 of his log at 3.36am. The key feature which needs looking into now, is what was / is recorded on the reverse of the front page of each of both logs, since, as I have said, both logs were created by two different people, in different locations, at different times, and anything handwritten on the reverse of one, could not possibly match that which was written on the reverse of the other (unless photocopied onto the back of one or other later on). This leads me to conclude that written on the reverse of Bonnets original page 1 of his 3.26am log, are details relating to the call made by the father to the police, whilst Jeremy himself was or may have been speaking to the police himself...

If this proves to be the case, then of course, Jeremy would be vindicated, since if his father (Ralph) was speaking to police on one line, whilst part of Jeremys call to police was taking place on another, where both calls partly over lapped. There may be some evidence of this contained on the reverse of PC Wests log (3.36am) when you take into account reference to the GPO calling whf and declaring that the phone has been left off the hook. This is a remarkable piece of information considering that from 3.36am that Jeremy was speaking to the police. Jeremys call to police lasted about 10 / 11 minutes which puts the termination of his call at around 3.46 / 3.47am, some five minutes or so after West records the fact that at 3.42am the GPO had established the phone at the farmhouse had been left off the hook...

What this means, is that for a period of 5 or 6 minutes, there may have been an overlap of the call from the father to police, and Jeremys call to police, an overlap which spanned the period 3.36am to 3.42am, the details of which are recorded on the reverse of the original page 1 of Bonnets (3.26am) log...

If this proves to be the case, then of course, Jeremy is in the clear...







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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2013, 01:42:PM »
Jeremy's call to police lasted about 10 / 11 minutes, which puts the termination of his call at around 3.46 / 3.47am, . . .

That isn't established. You posted just hours later, "Worse case scenario - there was overlap of the line in usage (a) to (c) and (b) to (c) whilst Jeremy was speaking to police from his cottage for a period between 3.36am and 3.42am, a total of 6 minutes", and the two logs don't prove that Jeremy was still on the telephone to Pc West after 3.42am, or that the telephone line at the farmhouse was checked by the operator while Jeremy's call to Pc West was still in progress.

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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2013, 03:05:PM »
and......as he was passed by police at 3.48 in the lane running towards the farm, he must have got his jimjams off pretty quick and used warp speed in the Astra.....
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2013, 03:35:PM »
and......as he was passed by police at 3.48 in the lane running towards the farm, he must have got his jimjams off pretty quick and used warp speed in the Astra.....

Running? I doubt a 25 year old man would be wearing PJ's  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2013, 04:55:PM »
Running? I doubt a 25 year old man would be wearing PJ's  ;D ;D ;D ;D

lol......the lane running towards the farm, not Bamber.....silly girl.....lol...
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2013, 05:00:PM »
lol......the lane running towards the farm, not Bamber.....silly girl.....lol...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2013, 05:34:PM »
and......as he was passed by police at 3.48 in the lane running towards the farm, he must have got his jimjams off pretty quick and used warp speed in the Astra.....
I don't think I've read that anywhere Vic? Have you got a reference or link to it? I remember the police commenting that as they passed him he was travelling very slowly? Are you talking about Pages Lane?
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« Reply #71 on: October 26, 2013, 05:50:PM »
Pity the police hadn't got anything else to do other than see how fast/slow Jeremy was travelling. It would have been the normal 30mph,,and would have been " the big I ams " who'd have been belting along at break-neck speed,as usual.
Jeremy had already been done for speeding anyway,,so he didn't want another scenario.

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« Reply #72 on: October 26, 2013, 05:56:PM »
Hi Grahame  I also read that Jeremy was travelling very slowly and I do declare he was critized for it by a certain poster on our forum ;D

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« Reply #73 on: October 26, 2013, 06:01:PM »
Pity the police hadn't got anything else to do other than see how fast/slow Jeremy was travelling. It would have been the normal 30mph,,and would have been " the big I ams " who'd have been belting along at break-neck speed,as usual.
Jeremy had already been done for speeding anyway,,so he didn't want another scenario.

how can YOU possibly know what he was thinking.?
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #74 on: October 26, 2013, 06:07:PM »
I don't think I've read that anywhere Vic? Have you got a reference or link to it? I remember the police commenting that as they passed him he was travelling very slowly? Are you talking about Pages Lane?

I thought that he arrived at WHF at 3.50 and was passed on the Tollesbury road doing 25-30mph?
In my opinion, impossible to be on the phone at time Mike claims and still make it to the farm at 3.50, driving at 30mph or less. Also, in my opinion, not the actions of a man 'rushing' to the aid of his father.
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