She's got the gun

[Lugg]

Lugg you're way out of date with that one..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3762995.stm

One person in 27 years. The majority know he is innocent. They have a sixth sense about other prisoners. More than we do, who are judging this man by looking through the wrong end of binoculars at best. I will even dare to say that none of us can judge this man as none on this forum have had close contact with him over any length of time, bar one or two who post here. You may THINK you know him. But all we are doing is fumbling in the dark at best.

[big-goolies]

One person in 27 years. The majority know he is innocent. They have a sixth sense about other prisoners. More than we do, who are judging this man by looking through the wrong end of binoculars at best. I will even dare to say that none of us can judge this man as none on this forum have had close contact with him over any length of time, bar one or two who post here. You may THINK you know him. But all we are doing is fumbling in the dark at best.

 
you dont have to know JB  that after studying the case you realise that if it wasnt SC then who else does it leave as the murderer

[shonapugs]

One person in 27 years. The majority know he is innocent. They have a sixth sense about other prisoners. More than we do, who are judging this man by looking through the wrong end of binoculars at best. I will even dare to say that none of us can judge this man as none on this forum have had close contact with him over any length of time, bar one or two who post here. You may THINK you know him. But all we are doing is fumbling in the dark at best.

Maybe... prisoners want to believe that other prisoners are innocent. It gives them some kind of hope, and strength. Even when all hope is lost. Maybe. Who knows? But Sheila doesn't look like she massacred her family, to me. She looks like she's been pulled out of bed and laid on the floor, in a catatonic state.

[Lugg]

As I said, the wrong end of binoculars. We only see what others want us to see. A few pictures from an incomplete crimescene.

[big-goolies]

its better than looking through rose tinted glasses

[shonapugs]

As I said, the wrong end of binoculars. We only see what others want us to see. A few pictures from an incomplete crimescene.

I might look more kindly on him if he hadn't ripped off the caravan park, and kept the money, when he must surely have known how it would upset Ralph. I can't find anything positive in that. It was a cruel, shabby thing to do. Would you have done that, Grahame? Steal from your family and worry your dad?

I doubt it.

[Caroline R]

I might look more kindly on him if he hadn't ripped off the caravan park, and kept the money, when he must surely have known how it would upset Ralph. I can't find anything positive in that. It was a cruel, shabby thing to do. Would you have done that, Grahame? Steal from your family and worry your dad?

I doubt it.

 I wouldn't but that doesn't make JB a murderer. What would cause Sheila to be in a 'catatonic' state?

[shonapugs]

As usual, we'll agree to disagree. You see someone who has been locked away for too many years. I see a man who is fortunate not to hang for what he did. I'm sorry that I've been so crappy to you. You're not a bad old stick!!

[Lugg]

its better than looking through rose tinted glasses

Well all I am doing is looking at the evidence available to me. So far I see no evidence other than that of a convicted liar to say Bamber was in contact with anything at or from the crime scene. I have no rose tinted glasses on because I do not actually like Bamber nor the relatives. But neither am I prone to looking at fuzzy pictures of Sheila and deducing from those pictures that she could never have committed those murders.
I believe it was quite possible for her to have done it and that those pictures do not necessarily depict the truth of what actually happened on that day.
You can't tell me that an experienced officer in the police could not tell if someone had committed suicide or not? We only see what they want us to see. There is something that is not real about this case and there are things that do not add up. And that only happens when certain things are witheld and unfortunately much of the evidence WAS witheld at the original trial. Something is amiss here. I have a very strong sense that we are not in possession of ALL the facts in this case?

[Caroline R]

Well all I am doing is looking at the evidence available to me. So far I see no evidence other than that of a convicted liar to say Bamber was in contact with anything at or from the crime scene. I have no rose tinted glasses on because I do not actually like Bamber nor the relatives. But neither am I prone to looking at fuzzy pictures of Sheila and deducing from those pictures that she could never have committed those murders.
I believe it was quite possible for her to have done it and that those pictures do not necessarily depict the truth of what actually happened on that day.
You can't tell me that an experienced officer in the police could not tell if someone had committed suicide or not? We only see what they want us to see. There is something that is not real about this case and there are things that do not add up. And that only happens when certain things are witheld and unfortunately much of the evidence WAS witheld at the original trial. Something is amiss here. I have a very strong sense that we are not in possession of ALL the facts in this case?

Good post Lugg and I agree. Thing is I think most of us on the 'innocent; side would all hold our hands up and say 'yep, we were wrong' IF after all of the evidence that was withheld pointed to that fact! But the fact that it was withheld leads to the idea that there's something we aren't supposed to know - you have to ask why?

[shonapugs]

Well all I am doing is looking at the evidence available to me. So far I see no evidence other than that of a convicted liar to say Bamber was in contact with anything at or from the crime scene. I have no rose tinted glasses on because I do not actually like Bamber nor the relatives. But neither am I prone to looking at fuzzy pictures of Sheila and deducing from those pictures that she could never have committed those murders.
I believe it was quite possible for her to have done it and that those pictures do not necessarily depict the truth of what actually happened on that day.
You can't tell me that an experienced officer in the police could not tell if someone had committed suicide or not? We only see what they want us to see. There is something that is not real about this case and there are things that do not add up. And that only happens when certain things are witheld and unfortunately much of the evidence WAS witheld at the original trial. Something is amiss here. I have a very strong sense that we are not in possession of ALL the facts in this case?

Grahame!! Not fuzzy pictures, not fuzzy at all. And, with all due respect, you never miss a chance to have a pop at the police. You don't seem to have a shred of respect for the police force. But, now it suits you they are experienced. Sorry, old cock, but you can't have the penny and the bun.

[Lugg]

Grahame!! Not fuzzy pictures, not fuzzy at all. And, with all due respect, you never miss a chance to have a pop at the police. You don't seem to have a shred of respect for the police force. But, now it suits you they are experienced. Sorry, old cock, but you can't have the penny and the bun.

Sorry Shona I'm not taking the bait.

[shonapugs]

Sorry Shona I'm not taking the bait.

Fair play!!   

[Lugg]

Fair play!!   

I'll explain the way it works one day Shona.

[lookout]

 
you dont have to know JB  that after studying the case you realise that if it wasnt SC then who else does it leave as the murderer

B.G,,,in a court of law,,you can't say that if it wasn't one,,it must have been the other.
What happened to a full investigation,,or at best,,a re-trial.?