She's got the gun

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,why go rooting for kitchen knives when there's a whole arsenal at your disposal.?

..because to commit the five murders one would have thought that Sheila had "previous" to use the prison jargon,but all I can come up with is Sheila's self-harm of putting her wrist through a window just as Diana slashed herself with Charles' penknife,and hurling a few pots and pans at Colin aiming to miss.

[maggie]

..and yet Sheila never even took a kitchen knife from the drawer in any previous psychosis. I've just been watching Princess Diana:The Secret Tapes on youtube where Diana took Charles' penknife and slashed herself in front of him,and Charles never batted an eyelid.

Of course there are violent people out there with schizophrenia who should be locked up for their own safety as well as the public's. But they have no relevance to the Jeremy Bamber case whatsoever,because you are all projecting your preconceived notions of how schizophrenics act in the same way Jeremy Bamber did in an attempt to hoodwink which very nearly succeeded.

So Nicola Edgington killed another woman on Bexley High Street in broad daylight. I'll highlight another example of an Eastern European who decapitated a woman's head in Tenerife a couple of years ago and ran off with it. You're not telling me anything I don't know. But you all can learn something. These people are mad in the true sense of the word,there is no rational ulterior motive behind their deeds,nor do they prevent outside forces (or Nevill) from calling for help by cutting off someone in the middle of a telephone call. They are in psychosis,they don't know what they are doing,and I doubt that the vast majority end up committing suicide after such a rampage.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386762/British-woman-beheaded-Tenerife-machete.html#axzz2KDl2Sm3R

I don't think we are projecting Steve, we are able to think for ourselves. 
I have experience of a schizophrenic in my own family as have others on this forum.  It is true some schizophrenics are never violent and some are extremely violent. 
I have had contact with 'burned out' schizophrenics though my work.  Lookout is a trained psychiatric nurse, I doubt if she is projecting.  She has first hand, upfront experience.   It's a pity that some of the professionals who treated Sheila didn't give her better treatment.  They let Sheila and her family down through their lack of support.

[lookout]

..because to commit the five murders one would have thought that Sheila had "previous" to use the prison jargon,but all I can come up with is Sheila's self-harm of putting her wrist through a window just as Diana slashed herself with Charles' penknife,and hurling a few pots and pans at Colin aiming to miss.

Diana was as miserable as Sheila was,,,and both were crying out for help in their own way.
Both got in with the wrong crowd while searching for someone to love them.

[Caroline R]

..and yet Sheila never even took a kitchen knife from the drawer in any previous psychosis. I've just been watching Princess Diana:The Secret Tapes on youtube where Diana took Charles' penknife and slashed herself in front of him,and Charles never batted an eyelid.

Of course there are violent people out there with schizophrenia who should be locked up for their own safety as well as the public's. But they have no relevance to the Jeremy Bamber case whatsoever,because you are all projecting your preconceived notions of how schizophrenics act in the same way Jeremy Bamber did in an attempt to hoodwink which very nearly succeeded.

So Nicola Edgington killed another woman on Bexley High Street in broad daylight. I'll highlight another example of an Eastern European who decapitated a woman's head in Tenerife a couple of years ago and ran off with it. You're not telling me anything I don't know. But you all can learn something. These people are mad in the true sense of the word,there is no rational ulterior motive behind their deeds,nor do they prevent outside forces (or Nevill) from calling for help by cutting off someone in the middle of a telephone call. They are in psychosis,they don't know what they are doing,and I doubt that the vast majority end up committing suicide after such a rampage.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386762/British-woman-beheaded-Tenerife-machete.html#axzz2KDl2Sm3R

Completely predictable!

[Steve_uk]

Completely predictable!

It's time for Kirsty so if Susan wants to scarper she can do it now..

[lookout]

Oh dear,,last in the series,Steve. You'll be having withdrawal symptoms.

[Lugg]

..because to commit the five murders one would have thought that Sheila had "previous" to use the prison jargon,but all I can come up with is Sheila's self-harm of putting her wrist through a window just as Diana slashed herself with Charles' penknife,and hurling a few pots and pans at Colin aiming to miss.

What about all those murderers who don't have "previous"? Does that make them all innocent? Also what about Jeremy's "previous"?

[Jane]

..and yet Sheila never even took a kitchen knife from the drawer in any previous psychosis. I've just been watching Princess Diana:The Secret Tapes on youtube where Diana took Charles' penknife and slashed herself in front of him,and Charles never batted an eyelid.

Of course there are violent people out there with schizophrenia who should be locked up for their own safety as well as the public's. But they have no relevance to the Jeremy Bamber case whatsoever,because you are all projecting your preconceived notions of how schizophrenics act in the same way Jeremy Bamber did in an attempt to hoodwink which very nearly succeeded.

So Nicola Edgington killed another woman on Bexley High Street in broad daylight. I'll highlight another example of an Eastern European who decapitated a woman's head in Tenerife a couple of years ago and ran off with it. You're not telling me anything I don't know. But you all can learn something. These people are mad in the true sense of the word,there is no rational ulterior motive behind their deeds,nor do they prevent outside forces (or Nevill) from calling for help by cutting off someone in the middle of a telephone call. They are in psychosis,they don't know what they are doing,and I doubt that the vast majority end up committing suicide after such a rampage.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386762/British-woman-beheaded-Tenerife-machete.html#axzz2KDl2Sm3R

And those with blood group A hold on to their emotions until they explode. Remember, Steve.

[Caroline R]

..and yet Sheila never even took a kitchen knife from the drawer in any previous psychosis. I've just been watching Princess Diana:The Secret Tapes on youtube where Diana took Charles' penknife and slashed herself in front of him,and Charles never batted an eyelid.

Of course there are violent people out there with schizophrenia who should be locked up for their own safety as well as the public's. But they have no relevance to the Jeremy Bamber case whatsoever,because you are all projecting your preconceived notions of how schizophrenics act in the same way Jeremy Bamber did in an attempt to hoodwink which very nearly succeeded.

So Nicola Edgington killed another woman on Bexley High Street in broad daylight. I'll highlight another example of an Eastern European who decapitated a woman's head in Tenerife a couple of years ago and ran off with it. You're not telling me anything I don't know. But you all can learn something. These people are mad in the true sense of the word,there is no rational ulterior motive behind their deeds,nor do they prevent outside forces (or Nevill) from calling for help by cutting off someone in the middle of a telephone call. They are in psychosis,they don't know what they are doing,and I doubt that the vast majority end up committing suicide after such a rampage.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386762/British-woman-beheaded-Tenerife-machete.html#axzz2KDl2Sm3R

And you have no knowledge of what it is like to live with a paranoid schizophrenic - I grew up with one! No, they aren't screaming lunatics who would wave a knife at you at any opportunity and their psychotic episodes are not always violent towards other people. However, backed into a corner or if they're afraid, they are completely unpredictable and you can't reason with them because you can't always make sense of what they are saying!

[mertol22]

The late actor Klaus Kinski had this illness, film director Werner Herzog was one of the few who could understand him

[Steve_uk]

What about all those murderers who don't have "previous"? Does that make them all innocent? Also what about Jeremy's "previous"?

Jeremy's previous was petty theft,a con man. Sheila's illness is far more difficult to predict and I can understand why the Jeremy supporters wish to focus all their energies on it(to the detriment of discussing Jeremy's evil scheme). However schizophrenics usually have a history of instability if not actual bodily violence against others which was absent in Sheila's case.

[Caroline R]

Jeremy's previous was petty theft,a con man. Sheila's illness is far more difficult to predict and I can understand why the Jeremy supporters wish to focus all their energies on it(to the detriment of discussing Jeremy's evil scheme). However schizophrenics usually have a history of instability if not actual bodily violence against others which was absent in Sheila's case.

Exactly, VERY difficult to predict - you're admitting it!! And those supporting JB don't believe he had an evil scheme!!

[HMEssex]

Jeremy's previous was petty theft,a con man. Sheila's illness is far more difficult to predict and I can understand why the Jeremy supporters wish to focus all their energies on it(to the detriment of discussing Jeremy's evil scheme). However schizophrenics usually have a history of instability if not actual bodily violence against others which was absent in Sheila's case.

No she just flung pots and pans at Colin - ouch...

I think it's been well documented that Sheila was unstable and couldn't take care of her children.

[Steve_uk]

No she just flung pots and pans at Colin - ouch...

I think it's been well documented that Sheila was unstable and couldn't take care of her children.

But that's no reason to get rid of them. You can't have Sheila as a calculated schemer who wishes to avenge the divorce and also in a grip of psychosis which as we have read from the examples quoted tonight do not follow any rigid pattern.

[HMEssex]

But that's no reason to get rid of them. You can't have Sheila as a calculated schemer who wishes to avenge the divorce and also in a grip of psychosis which as we have read from the examples quoted tonight do not follow any rigid pattern.

Clearly, she was in the grip of psychosis!  No, not calculated actions - but everything built up inside her -the poor girl was so ill and a danger.