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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #105 on: February 05, 2013, 05:59:PM »

Maybe that's the way it should have gone,,then the investigation would have been more thorough.
 
 
Maybe thats why JB did what he did

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« Reply #106 on: February 05, 2013, 06:08:PM »
 
 
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Well if Jeremy had had any sense,,he'd have turned over in bed instead of answering a call. I bet he thinks back many a time.

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« Reply #107 on: February 05, 2013, 06:54:PM »
 
 
Maybe thats why JB did what he did
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Well if Jeremy had had any sense,,he'd have turned over in bed instead of answering a call. I bet he thinks back many a time.
 
 
yes , i reckon he must have lots of regrets

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« Reply #108 on: February 05, 2013, 07:06:PM »
A recipe for disaster. Not forgetting,,it was said that her condition had deteriorated rapidly. The only medication that she'd had in her system was the remains of the haloperidol which was given by injection. Along with cannabis. No other prescription medication was found,,,so what does that tell you.

Steve has mentioned many a time that Sheila was quiet and withdrawn. A classic symptom of her illness.
It could be the side effects of Electroconvulsive Therapy lookout,we don't know.

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« Reply #109 on: February 05, 2013, 07:18:PM »
It could be the side effects of Electroconvulsive Therapy lookout,we don't know.



We also don't know that she received it. By 1985 it was a very outmoded form of therapy as well as being highly criticized. Jeremy knew his mother had received it and could have assumed it of Sheila.

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« Reply #110 on: February 05, 2013, 07:32:PM »


We also don't know that she received it. By 1985 it was a very outmoded form of therapy as well as being highly criticized. Jeremy knew his mother had received it and could have assumed it of Sheila.
Funny you should say that. Because I have a friend who says that she knew Sheila's doctor and she was not receiving any drugs or treatment whatsoever? Please don't shoot the messenger.

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« Reply #111 on: February 05, 2013, 07:59:PM »
It could be the side effects of Electroconvulsive Therapy lookout,we don't know.


Steve,,,can you be sure that Sheila had ECT.?

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« Reply #112 on: February 05, 2013, 08:02:PM »

Steve,,,can you be sure that Sheila had ECT.?



You see,,,that if Sheila had that therapy,,,it would be used as a last resort,,,meaning that her illness had somewhat deteriorated.

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« Reply #113 on: February 05, 2013, 08:08:PM »


You see,,,that if Sheila had that therapy,,,it would be used as a last resort,,,meaning that her illness had somewhat deteriorated.
I'm not sure it would have been as a last resort lookout because didn't June have it in 1982 and she wasn't as seriously ill as Sheila. To my mind Sheila showed all the classic symptoms of having received ECT(vacant,probable short-term memory loss the way she stared and didn't engage in converastions). Weren't the tablets you described on another thread just to counteract the effects of the Haloperidol?


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« Reply #114 on: February 05, 2013, 08:09:PM »
I'm not sure it would have been as a last resort lookout because didn't June have it in 1982 and she wasn't as seriously ill as Sheila. To my mind Sheila showed all the classic symptoms of having received ECT(vacant,probable short-term memory loss the way she stared and didn't engage in converastions). Weren't the tablets you described on another thread just to counteract the effects of the Haloperidol?

Procyclideine to counter effects of Haloperidol.
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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #115 on: February 05, 2013, 08:15:PM »
I'm not sure it would have been as a last resort lookout because didn't June have it in 1982 and she wasn't as seriously ill as Sheila. To my mind Sheila showed all the classic symptoms of having received ECT(vacant,probable short-term memory loss the way she stared and didn't engage in converastions). Weren't the tablets you described on another thread just to counteract the effects of the Haloperidol?


Steve,,a symptom of psychotic illness is staring into space,quiet and not engaging in conversation,,as well as other symptoms which weren't mentioned.
Yes,,there were further tablets that,,either she should have taken but didn't------------or took them with cannabis or heroin,which as I've said,would cancel out the benefit of her psychotic drugs.

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« Reply #116 on: February 05, 2013, 08:23:PM »

Steve,,a symptom of psychotic illness is staring into space,quiet and not engaging in conversation,,as well as other symptoms which weren't mentioned.
Yes,,there were further tablets that,,either she should have taken but didn't------------or took them with cannabis or heroin,which as I've said,would cancel out the benefit of her psychotic drugs.
Of course I don't know for sure,but I found it surprising that Jeremy claimed in one of his statements that Sheila was on ECT(although it was written down wrongly by the Police civil staff).

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« Reply #117 on: February 05, 2013, 08:29:PM »
Of course I don't know for sure,but I found it surprising that Jeremy claimed in one of his statements that Sheila was on ECT(although it was written down wrongly by the Police civil staff).


I don't know,,but I would have doubted very much that Sheila had ECT. June possibly did,as she had a different type of illness. ECT was/is usually given for chronic depressive illness,,not schizophrenia.
I would also guess that Jeremy knew very little,,because if Neville and June weren't fully conversant with the illness,then I'm sure Jeremy wouldn't have been either. No internet then for info.

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #118 on: February 05, 2013, 08:39:PM »

I don't know,,but I would have doubted very much that Sheila had ECT. June possibly did,as she had a different type of illness. ECT was/is usually given for chronic depressive illness,,not schizophrenia.
I would also guess that Jeremy knew very little,,because if Neville and June weren't fully conversant with the illness,then I'm sure Jeremy wouldn't have been either. No internet then for info.

hi Lookout, I Know June had ECT not sure about Sheila!   :) :) :) :)

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #119 on: February 05, 2013, 09:02:PM »

I don't know,,but I would have doubted very much that Sheila had ECT. June possibly did,as she had a different type of illness. ECT was/is usually given for chronic depressive illness,,not schizophrenia.
I would also guess that Jeremy knew very little,,because if Neville and June weren't fully conversant with the illness,then I'm sure Jeremy wouldn't have been either. No internet then for info.
I agree lookout, ECT was still used in the 1980s but was much less common.  It's surprising how it could brighten the mood of a chronically depressed person, they would return from their treatment full of beans.   Eventually these good effects would wear off and the depressive would withdraw again....it was the depression which caused that withdrawal, not the ECT.

ECT wouldn't be used for schizophrenics, they are always treated with medication, as far as I'm aware.  One of the facts about schizophrenics is that if they survive their illness it does often burn out as they become older.  So a person who could have been a real danger without high doses of meds in their youth can in later years manage with much lower doses of medicine.

Steve, however horrific it sounds, before modern medications for severe mental illness, there was a reason for locked wards and indeed the awful straightjackets and padded cells. Dreadful as it was without the control of medications psychosis was and still can be a terrifyingly dangerous reality. 
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