She's got the gun

[big-goolies]

That is a good point....The call makes no difference. It would still have been murder/suicide......

 
I think had JB been first to stumble across the murder scene in the morning he would have been questioned more at length by the police as he would have been a more likely suspect in such a case.
Maybe JB knew this and concocted the phone call to throw off the police early on.

[Nickos]

I beg to differ if I may.   

In Jeremy's original statement he clearly states Sheila could have been She....but naturally assumed it to be Sheila.  This has not come to fruit later, it was said at the onset.

I admit the phrase does not sound right, but then again we don;t know how Nevill sounded, or phrased his words...

We also have no proof that a telephone call was made, or not....BUT, if he was planning to murder his family, surely he would have Incorporated that phone call into the equation, for a reason, and that reason was that he would have thought the call would be traced.   

Patti, of course you can differ, and there’s no need to beg 

Well if it's Sheila or she, JB is still trying to implicate Sheila!

Like I have stated before, JB's plan almost worked, but the phone call bit does not hang right - imo

JB conceived the plan for all the reasons covered before, but also if JB just went home after killing them then as the last person to see them alive JB would automatically be in the frame.

JB's plan to implicate Sheila was an attempt to point the finger away from himself.

[big-goolies]

Patti, of course you can differ, and there’s no need to beg 

Well if it's Sheila or she, JB is still trying to implicate Sheila!

Like I have stated before, JB's plan almost worked, but the phone call bit does not hang right - imo

JB conceived the plan for all the reasons covered before, but also if JB just went home after killing them then as the last person to see them alive JB would automatically be in the frame.

JB's plan to implicate Sheila was an attempt to point the finger away from himself.

 
Couldnt have put it better myself

[lookout]

My other thoughts are,,that if Jeremy had been guilty,,,then why,,for the last 27 years has he got floor to ceiling files and documents,etc pertaining to the crime,in his on-going quest to prove his innocence.?

If guilty,,you might just " try it on " for so long,,,then give up, knowing  the futility of it all.
The difference being,,that Jeremy has never once given up,,even after the " knock-backs " ,his determination has got to be admired in proving to the world and its wife that he's innocent.

I remember being in court in Sydney after the Lindy Chamberlain debacle where she was adamant that a dingo took her baby,,and you could count on one hand the amount of people who said she was innocent.
The reception outside court before she entered put me in mind of a pack of dingos. It was disgusting,,but the woman stood her ground. How folk can be wrong.

[Patti]

 
I think had JB been first to stumble across the murder scene in the morning he would have been questioned more at length by the police as he would have been a more likely suspect in such a case.
Maybe JB knew this and concocted the phone call to throw off the police early on.

Why would he be more of a suspect if he had stumbled across the scene?  Sheila still had the rifle laid on her.  The scene would have still been viewed by the police in the same and, Jeremy could have still told police the ill health of his sister.  In my opinion there was no reason to invent a call.   

[Patti]

Patti, of course you can differ, and there’s no need to beg 

Well if it's Sheila or she, JB is still trying to implicate Sheila!

Like I have stated before, JB's plan almost worked, but the phone call bit does not hang right - imo

JB conceived the plan for all the reasons covered before, but also if JB just went home after killing them then as the last person to see them alive JB would automatically be in the frame.

JB's plan to implicate Sheila was an attempt to point the finger away from himself.

Nickos

It makes no difference he was the last person to see his family anyway, despite the invention of a phone call...or stumbling across the crime scene.  The house was locked up. The rifle was in place.  Jeremy turned up for work at 8am other farm hands turned up earlier...it was the height of the season gathering rape...

I suppose its a matter of opinion a, guessing game...sadly! 

[lookout]

Why would he be more of a suspect if he had stumbled across the scene?  Sheila still had the rifle laid on her.  The scene would have still been viewed by the police in the same and, Jeremy could have still told police the ill health of his sister.  In my opinion there was no reason to invent a call.   

Allegedly,,when the police entered the farmhouse,,the rifle was to the right side of Sheila,with the bible near her neck.

[Patti]

My other thoughts are,,that if Jeremy had been guilty,,,then why,,for the last 27 years has he got floor to ceiling files and documents,etc pertaining to the crime,in his on-going quest to prove his innocence.?

If guilty,,you might just " try it on " for so long,,,then give up, knowing  the futility of it all.
The difference being,,that Jeremy has never once given up,,even after the " knock-backs " ,his determination has got to be admired in proving to the world and its wife that he's innocent.

I remember being in court in Sydney after the Lindy Chamberlain debacle where she was adamant that a dingo took her baby,,and you could count on one hand the amount of people who said she was innocent.
The reception outside court before she entered put me in mind of a pack of dingos. It was disgusting,,but the woman stood her ground. How folk can be wrong.

Lookout folk will get it wrong for many more years to come.  We all tend to believe differently, thank goodness. Otherwise it would be a one way street all the time, with no avenues to go down. 

I admit that miscarriages of justice's are rare, so few are exonerated. Then donkies years later when they are dead and buried....Some kind soul comes along and finds the said person not guilty of the crime they committed...it happens, whether it be through modern science of missed document that suddenly came to life......

[killingeve]

My other thoughts are,,that if Jeremy had been guilty,,,then why,,for the last 27 years has he got floor to ceiling files and documents,etc pertaining to the crime,in his on-going quest to prove his innocence.?

If guilty,,you might just " try it on " for so long,,,then give up, knowing  the futility of it all.
The difference being,,that Jeremy has never once given up,,even after the " knock-backs " ,his determination has got to be admired in proving to the world and its wife that he's innocent.

I remember being in court in Sydney after the Lindy Chamberlain debacle where she was adamant that a dingo took her baby,,and you could count on one hand the amount of people who said she was innocent.
The reception outside court before she entered put me in mind of a pack of dingos. It was disgusting,,but the woman stood her ground. How folk can be wrong.

Some believe Prince Phillip/UK intelligence services were behind the death of Princess Diana  Some believe Mossad were behind 9/11    Many believe in various Gods    Many believed, and continue to believe, the financial system was/is sound and robust  and on and on.

[Nickos]

My other thoughts are,,that if Jeremy had been guilty,,,then why,,for the last 27 years has he got floor to ceiling files and documents,etc pertaining to the crime,in his on-going quest to prove his innocence.?

Been done....Nothing better to do!

If guilty,,you might just " try it on " for so long,,,then give up, knowing  the futility of it all.
The difference being,,that Jeremy has never once given up,,even after the " knock-backs " ,his determination has got to be admired in proving to the world and its wife that he's innocent.

Loads of different reasons here.... won't give in to the relatives... nothing better to do....wants to believe, and be believed, he is innocent...nothing better to do.... adores the support and attention... nothing b..... etc.

I remember being in court in Sydney after the Lindy Chamberlain debacle where she was adamant that a dingo took her baby,,and you could count on one hand the amount of people who said she was innocent.
The reception outside court before she entered put me in mind of a pack of dingos. It was disgusting,,but the woman stood her ground. How folk can be wrong.

Yes, an interesting case... and nothing to do with this one! conversely there are guilty people no doubt still walking around - mildly interesting maybe, but nothing to do with this case

[lookout]

Yes, an interesting case... and nothing to do with this one! conversely there are guilty people no doubt still walking around - mildly interesting maybe, but nothing to do with this case

Nickos,,,I know it's got nothing to do with the case,,it was meant as a for instance where only Lindy and her husband were present at Ayers Rock,,so it was literally their version of events against what the police,media and thought.

[lookout]

Nickos,,,I know it's got nothing to do with the case,,it was meant as a for instance where only Lindy and her husband were present at Ayers Rock,,so it was literally their version of events against what the police,media and thought.

Like this case,,,it was media-driven.

[Alias]

Oh Lugg - you know why, and it's partly what got him convicted - it was all part of the plan to blame Sheila.

In summary;

I went outside to shoot some rabbits

I left the gun lying around.

I got a phone call from my father saying Sheila had now got the gun (that I left lying around).

He said come quickly - I didn’t.

He said Sheila had the gun – so it must have been the one I left lying around.

Staged or what!

Maybe. It just sounds too simple to me. If this was indeed Jeremy´s reasoning, he must have a very low IQ (I don´t know Jeremy, maybe he is very limited??). It would be something a five-year-old could come up with.
After having plotted and planned for almost a year, was this really what he could muster?

[Lugg]

 
I think had JB been first to stumble across the murder scene in the morning he would have been questioned more at length by the police as he would have been a more likely suspect in such a case.
Maybe JB knew this and concocted the phone call to throw off the police early on.

He wouldn't have been the first to stumble on the scene though. There were farm workers who got up and went to WHF much earlier than him.

[lookout]

He wouldn't have been the first to stumble on the scene though. There were farm workers who got up and went to WHF much earlier that him.

Maybe that's the way it should have gone,,then the investigation would have been more thorough.