She's got the gun

[-Harters-]

Good point April, he couldn't know that it wouldn't be put back. And if he didn't leave it out in the first place, he left himself open to being discovered before he had a chance to get to it. Unless of course he hid it in an easily accessible place - but again, he couldn't be sure it wouldn't be found and a hidden rifle would certainly arouse suspicion!! 

Or the rabbit incident never happened, it wasn't left out and he simply went to the gun cupboard to get the rifle.

[-Harters-]

cos you're the only one about.....OK! Wont ask no more daft questions dear. 

I said I didn't understand your question. 

Your above post also makes no sense to me? 

[Nickos]

Why have you put SHE?  It is so easy to make a mistake, even though you know you should have said Sheila...

I have often wondered it Jeremy made the same mistake....and interpreted She for Sheila..Its easily done....

No Patti,  JB did not make a mistake in relation to any actual phone call as the phone call didn't happen.

JB made up the line "Please come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy and has got the gun"... and then the line went dead, as that is what he wanted people to believe and have on record.

It has only been later, from those who believe JB innocent, that the word "Sheila" has been amended to "she's" in order to implicate June (anyone other than JB).

If you believe June was not involved,    then Sheila or She makes no real difference. JB is still trying to implicate Sheila.

[lookout]

 
Suggesting that AB was the 'she' ?  its possible , perhaps her body had the marks of a struggle consistent with a fight with NB , but then then someone would have had to kill AB after she killed NB. Then who killed the twins ?
 
is it possible for a family to have such killers ?

Yes,BG,,it is possible to have such a family member who'll wipe out the whole family.

[big-goolies]

Yes,BG,,it is possible to have such a family member who'll wipe out the whole family.

 
no what i mean is not one but multiple murderers in one family.

[killingeve]

 
precisely.... he should have just gone to bed after the murders and the murder scene been found in another way
he hadnt quite got his script correct.

If we assume that the murders/suicide took place but no phone call was made, I think I'm right in saying JB would normally be first to arrive at WHF in the morning ie before farm workers, BW, JB etc?  I think I recall reading JB would have a coffee at WHF before starting work about 8am?

[lookout]

Yes,BG,,it is possible to have such a family member who'll wipe out the whole family.

As I'd posted yesterday about non-diagnosed schizophrenia or those who've been diagnosed and who either fail to take their medication,,or take their medication along with some other substance,i.e.cannabis/heroin,,which immediately cancels out the effects of the medication. In Sheilas' case,,she needn't have bothered taking prescription medication because it wouldn't have worked anyway.

[big-goolies]

If we assume that the murders/suicide took place but no phone call was made, I think I'm right in saying JB would normally be first to arrive at WHF in the morning ie before farm workers, BW, JB etc?  I think I recall reading JB would have a coffee at WHF before starting work about 8am?

 
i shouldnt say how JB should have claimed what happened that night , all im saying is his 'claim' is flawed

[lookout]

As I'd posted yesterday about non-diagnosed schizophrenia or those who've been diagnosed and who either fail to take their medication,,or take their medication along with some other substance,i.e.cannabis/heroin,,which immediately cancels out the effects of the medication. In Sheilas' case,,she needn't have bothered taking prescription medication because it wouldn't have worked anyway.

A recipe for disaster. Not forgetting,,it was said that her condition had deteriorated rapidly. The only medication that she'd had in her system was the remains of the haloperidol which was given by injection. Along with cannabis. No other prescription medication was found,,,so what does that tell you.

Steve has mentioned many a time that Sheila was quiet and withdrawn. A classic symptom of her illness.

[big-goolies]

His flawed claim did achieve its goal though as he wasnt suspected of being involved in those crucial first few days following the murders

[Patti]

No Patti,  JB did not make a mistake in relation to any actual phone call as the phone call didn't happen.

JB made up the line "Please come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy and has got the gun"... and then the line went dead, as that is what he wanted people to believe and have on record.

It has only been later, from those who believe JB innocent, that the word "Sheila" has been amended to "she's" in order to implicate June (anyone other than JB).

If you believe June was not involved,    then Sheila or She makes no real difference. JB is still trying to implicate Sheila.

I beg to differ if I may.   

In Jeremy's original statement he clearly states Sheila could have been She....but naturally assumed it to be Sheila.  This has not come to fruit later, it was said at the onset.

I admit the phrase does not sound right, but then again we don;t know how Nevill sounded, or phrased his words...

We also have no proof that a telephone call was made, or not....BUT, if he was planning to murder his family, surely he would have Incorporated that phone call into the equation, for a reason, and that reason was that he would have thought the call would be traced.   

[big-goolies]

His flawed claim did achieve its goal though as he wasnt suspected of being involved in those crucial first few days following the murders

 
JB's claim

[killingeve]

If the phone call was made I have always assumed it was a call for help to disarm Sheila.  But I guess it could be for other reasons:

1.  To help resolve a family dispute eg SC saying to NB ok get JB here to confirm that you're not going to install me and the twins at Goldhanger/Bourtree etc, etc.

2. SC wanting JB to join the rest of the family in heaven etc, etc.  (Apologies if this sounds flippant - it's certainly not intended to be so.)

[lookout]

 
no what i mean is not one but multiple murderers in one family.

Not really,BG. It's maybe possible where all genes are of the same family who have a disposition of murder in mind,,but where two are of a different genetic make-up,,I'd think not.

[Patti]

If we assume that the murders/suicide took place but no phone call was made, I think I'm right in saying JB would normally be first to arrive at WHF in the morning ie before farm workers, BW, JB etc?  I think I recall reading JB would have a coffee at WHF before starting work about 8am?

That is a good point....The call makes no difference. It would still have been murder/suicide......