She's got the gun

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline I find no logic at all in the gun being left out to suggest it was left by Jeremy to murder his family had this been the case why incriminate himself and tell the police.  Don't tell steve about your 12"thick walls and Alfie barking it will spoil his take on the case

Good!! 

[Patti]

Morning all.   

Why did he say gun and not rifle?  Who is to know that Sheila didn't pick up the 12 bore...it had her fingerprints on it....Maybe NB managed to get that gun off her, so then she picked the rifle up that Jeremy left? 

[Lugg]

Morning all.   

Why did he say gun and not rifle?  Who is to know that Sheila didn't pick up the 12 bore...it had her fingerprints on it....Maybe NB managed to get that gun off her, so then she picked the rifle up that Jeremy left? 

Jeremy made a point of and still makes the point that his father used the words "the gun" and not "a gun" or "the rifle". I often wonder why he insists on emphasising the words "the gun"?

[maggie]

Morning all.   

Why did he say gun and not rifle?  Who is to know that Sheila didn't pick up the 12 bore...it had her fingerprints on it....Maybe NB managed to get that gun off her, so then she picked the rifle up that Jeremy left? 

Exactly patti.....maybe that was earlier in the evening and maybe thats why gunshot was heard?
Trouble is that gunshot throws up all sorts of questions. The gunshot heard earlier may have not had anything to do with what unfolded later, gunshot can often be heard on a summer evening in the country.

[big-goolies]

Hi Caroline I find no logic at all in the gun being left out to suggest it was left by Jeremy to murder his family had this been the case why incriminate himself and tell the police.  Don't tell steve about your 12"thick walls and Alfie barking it will spoil his take on the case

 
JB didnt leave it out so he could murder his family.... he leaves it out so its a good enough reason for Sheila to have found it and use it , also his claim to have shot rabbits earlier is his reason/excuse for why his fingerprints would later be on the murder weapon.  It's all premeditation
 

[-Harters-]

 
JB didnt leave it out so he could murder his family.... he leaves it out so its a good enough reason for Sheila to have found it and use it , also his claim to have shot rabbits earlier is his reason/excuse for why his fingerprints would later be on the murder weapon.  It's all premeditation

He only claims he left it out, it's quite possible that the whole rabbit hunting excercise is a concocted story and never took place at all.

[Patti]

He only claims he left it out, it's quite possible that the whole rabbit hunting excercise is a concocted story and never took place at all.

Don't they shoot rabbits on farms?  Whats the point of having all those guns/rifles laying about the house unsafely if they don't use em?  No path today, full on snow...lol   

[-Harters-]

Don't they shoot rabbits on farms?  Whats the point of having all those guns/rifles laying about the house unsafely if they don't use em?  No path today, full on snow...lol   

I think you have had a moment and missed the point Patti. 

[Patti]

I think you have had a moment and missed the point Patti. 

Not really, just making my point of view. 

Why is it that those that think Jeremy is not guilty, don't believe in the sequence of event that took place? 

[lookout]

Not really, just making my point of view. 

Why is it that those that think Jeremy is not guilty, don't believe in the sequence of event that took place? 

Patti,,I suppose it's the same with us who believe he's not guilty.

[Jane]

Morning Caroline

I suspect if Jeremy Bamber had been planning to murder his entire family he would not have left the rifle out at all why would he be so stupid he knew where they were kept.  According to steve the walls at WHF were very thick so Ralph would have not heard Crispy barking or Jeremy entering through the window.

May I just add to that by suggesting so WHAT if a loaded gun was left where he could lay his hands on it. It's more than possible that Nevill MAY have locked it away............unless of course Jeremy is using telepathic communication to prevent it :D :D

[Lugg]

 
JB didnt leave it out so he could murder his family.... he leaves it out so its a good enough reason for Sheila to have found it and use it , also his claim to have shot rabbits earlier is his reason/excuse for why his fingerprints would later be on the murder weapon.  It's all premeditation

Why didn't he just "say" he left it out. Perhaps he did? Who knows? His fingerprints weren't on the weapon except one. But as it was his gun anyway it wouldn't be so strange anyway would it? Especially if he was supposed to have cleaned the gun afterwards? So what did he do? (1) Really leave the gun on the settle. (2) Just say he left the gun on the settle. (3) Said he shot rabbits to explain why his fingerprints were on the gun. (4) Wipe the gun clean?

[lookout]

Why didn't he just "say" he left it out. Perhaps he did? Who knows? His fingerprints weren't on the weapon except one. But as it was his gun anyway it wouldn't be so strange anyway would it? Especially if he was supposed to have cleaned the gun afterwards? So what did he do? (1) Really leave the gun on the settle. (2) Just say he left the gun on the settle. (3) Said he shot rabbits to explain why his fingerprints were on the gun. (4) Wipe the gun clean?

Lugg,,he had no reason to remember what he did really,,,whether he did all these things or not,,as he hadn't planned anything and certainly didn't envisage what was to become.

[Lugg]

Lugg,,he had no reason to remember what he did really,,,whether he did all these things or not, as he hadn't planned anything and certainly didn't envisage what was to become.

Yes it it all subjective really isn't it?

[-Harters-]

Not really, just making my point of view. 

Why is it that those that think Jeremy is not guilty, don't believe in the sequence of event that took place? 

I don't know, maybe you should ask them. 

A guilty Jeremy is not a reliable source of information, so it's hardly surprising that people find his uncorroborated claims to be questionable. Like the rabbits for example.