The case of Madeleine McCann

[Steve_uk]

The Bad Man, the Necromancer and the Toady..https://youtu.be/ewCnomUyEQg

[Roch]

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-01-11/madeleine-fund-used-to-pay-goncalo-amaral-lawsuit/73732

[Steve_uk]

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-01-11/madeleine-fund-used-to-pay-goncalo-amaral-lawsuit/73732

I don't see how the McCanns could have proceeded with the cremation given the publicity surrounding the case. If Amaral had claimed Madeleine died in the apartment and left it at that I think he would have been more believable. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2751442/goncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-2/#:~:text=What%20has%20Amaral%20claimed%20in,to%20cover%20up%20the%20tragedy.

[Roch]

The reservoir search hasn't turned up anything, according to German police.

[Rob_]

Bit of a difficult watch she meanders a bit. Interesting comment about it being difficult to hurriedly bury a body when being unfamimiar with the area and terraine.
Yes the cadaver dogs are damning evidence against the McCanns.
Was the sofa always located where it was?
Could some sort of evidence have been planted there prior to the cadaver dogs arriving? (there is the famous case in NZ where police planted evidence against Arthur Alan Thomas)
Or was the carpet laid down there, relocated from another part of the building?

Then back in the 80s in Australia there is the famous case against Lindy Chamberlaine, (she came across as being very weird) who was alleged to have killed her child, after saying it had been taken by a Dingo. A body was never found, she was finally released from prison when the baby's jacket was found proving the baby had been taken by a dingo..

I disagree as the body would have been too fresh, no decomposition would have set in.

[handymanz]

I disagree as the body would have been too fresh, no decomposition would have set in.

So, are you saying that the use of cadaver dogs would have been irrelevant. I can't understand what it is you're in disagreement with.

[Rob_]

So, are you saying that the use of cadaver dogs would have been irrelevant. I can't understand what it is you're in disagreement with.

A cadaver dog would not detect anything in the apartment unless Maddie had been taken back their a day or so later after death. A body needs to start decomposing for the dog to detect it.

Well trained cadaver dogs are pretty amazing.

[handymanz]

A cadaver dog would not detect anything in the apartment unless Maddie had been taken back their a day or so later after death. A body needs to start decomposing for the dog to detect it.

Well trained cadaver dogs are pretty amazing.

But I thought the cadaver dogs did detect something in the apartment.
So what ever it was they detected it wasn't Madeleine?

[Steve_uk]

But I thought the cadaver dogs did detect something in the apartment.
So what ever it was they detected it wasn't Madeleine?

It remains a mystery to date. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404

[Rob_]

But I thought the cadaver dogs did detect something in the apartment.
So what ever it was they detected it wasn't Madeleine?

A blood dog may have detected blood but it was a holiday apartment, countless people could have cut themselves in their.

[Roch]

A blood dog may have detected blood but it was a holiday apartment, countless people could have cut themselves in their.

Among the great number of objects and locales inspected, the dogs marked the following places:
1. Apartment 5 A, Ocean Club resort, the place from where the child disappeared
1.1. Cadaver odour
* Master bedroom, in a corner, by the wardrobe
* Living room, behind the sofa, by the side window
1.2. Blood dog:
* Living room behind the sofa, close to the lateral window (on the same spot signalled by the cadaver dog);
2. Front garden to the apartment 5A
2.1. Cadaver dog
* Flower bed (the dog handler commented on the 'lightness' of the odor)
3. Apartments where the rest of the group were staying
* NOTHING was detected by the dogs
4. Actual residence of the McCann
* NOTHING was detected on the house by any of the dogs
5. At Aldeia da Luz
* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs
6. Clothes and belongings of McCann family
6.1. Cadaver dog:
* 2 pieces of clothing of Kate McCann
* One piece of Madeleine McCann
* Madeleine's soft toy
* The odour was detected when the toy was still in the interior of the actual residence of the McCann
* It was confirmed in out of the house conditions
7. Vehicle used by the McCann family
7.1. Cadaver dog:
* Marked the key of the car
* Marked the interior of the booth
7.2. Blood dog
* Marked the car key
* Marked the interior of the booth
8. Car used by a family friend that was staying in the same resort, in some of the same days
* Nothing was detected by any of the dogs
9. All the cars used by the arguido Robert Murat and the people that are close to him
* Nothing was detected by any of the dogs.

(In a total of 10 cars the cadaver dog and the blood dog only marked the car of the McCann family, rented at May 27th)

[Steve_uk]

It's interesting, but not conclusive proof Kate and Gerry covered up their daughter's death. If the allegation is Madeleine suffered a fatal head wound from a fall and the parents concealed the body temporarily in the wardrobe, until disposing of the corpse later I can't really see a timeline that works. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404

[Bubo bubo]

It's interesting, but not conclusive proof Kate and Gerry covered up their daughter's death. If the allegation is Madeleine suffered a fatal head wound from a fall and the parents concealed the body temporarily in the wardrobe, until disposing of the corpse later I can't really see a timeline that works. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404

Another alternative was that they overdosed a sleeping draught or woozy from its affect she stumbled and fell. I have spent a lot of time travelling Portugal in a motor home. I saw what can only be described as many strange, single men on my travels. I do not judge books by their covers but have suggested to friends and family, from the start that a quick transportation in such a vehicle could have been the means by which she was abducted. I came to this as a possibility before the German guy was investigated. For some unknown reason I found Kate and Gerry's behaviour a bit off kilter. This may have been due to their inner shame of leaving the kids while they wined and dined.

[Roch]

It's interesting, but not conclusive proof Kate and Gerry covered up their daughter's death. If the allegation is Madeleine suffered a fatal head wound from a fall and the parents concealed the body temporarily in the wardrobe, until disposing of the corpse later I can't really see a timeline that works. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404

In a court of law I believe it isn't conclusive proof. However, I can't see the Portuguese authorities planting something to get the dogs to back up their theory.  The dogs were I think, world renowned.

[handymanz]

The problem I have with "the McCanns did it"scenario, is how could they have concealed/ transported Maddie's body when once their appartment was being closely watched?