The case of Madeleine McCann

[killingeve]

Aww,,poor you,Susan. My childhood days were wonderful,,but very strict. However,,it hasn't harmed me.

Hi Lookout

I thought you said your mother favoured your brother and you felt this acutely? 

[lookout]

Hi Lookout

I think you said your g/daughter was viscous so perhaps a genetic propensity towards violence and aggression 

Yes,NN,,I understand where you're coming from. My mum,,myself and g/daughter.A predisposition for " law and order " in mums' and my case,,but g/daughters' was sheer frustration and hormones.
However,because my daughters weren't of the same nature,their own children were brats when growing up. Elder daughters' children used to kick her.! Tried it with me----------------once.! 

[Patti]

OK, we are way off topic, SORRY mods, just want to say something about little blond "Maria". You can tell that her hair has been dyed dark a little over a year ago, you can see it on the tips of her braids. Her abductors must have tried to make her blend in with their family. Maybe we should have a new topic for "Maria"?

Hi All

I have to say that child trafficking in Europe is rife and has been for many years.  The Romanian Gypsies have invaded every European Country.  Its sad to label them thieves and beggars, but this is what they are renowned for.  The majority of the Gypsies though live well and don't steal or beg and just travel around Europe and they make ends meet. 

Its sad to say but dirty gypsy children make good beggars and they are sent on the streets at night to do just that.  When they get older they turn into prostitution. Its their way of life. A child to them is money. 

The little darling Maria is blond and in the clips I saw yesterday in the same camp that she was rescued from there was a blond teenager....So where did she come from? Why hasn't she been taken?

The said mother of Maria claims that she was given to her by a woman who lives in Belgium, who could not keep her.  This maybe true, we don't know.  But it appears there was a scam going off with false birth certificates and claims for benefits.

I have found some documents regarding Madeleine yesterday and reports that were never followed up by the PJ that she had been taken by the Gypsies....These reports might not be true, but the fact they were never followed up just amazes me.  Hewlett the paedophile that died had said that the Gypsies have her to be sold on....

I will post these documents later.....

I hope they find Maria's mother.....if not I hope she goes to a home that will look after her. 

[lookout]

Hi Lookout

I thought you said your mother favoured your brother and you felt this acutely?

NN,,let's say I fought back in my own way. I'm lucky to have the ability to " shut off " so was able,,young as I was,,to accept this favouritism as part of the norm. It was no use kicking-off all the time. It was something I got used to,,,as I'm even like that now. Easy-going for the most part,,and,hopefully,well-balanced.

[lookout]

OK, we are way off topic, SORRY mods, just want to say something about little blond "Maria". You can tell that her hair has been dyed dark a little over a year ago, you can see it on the tips of her braids. Her abductors must have tried to make her blend in with their family. Maybe we should have a new topic for "Maria"?

Alias,,I would be more than happy to have a separate heading for this charming little soul. I think she's a little princess,,aww.

[killingeve]

NN,,let's say I fought back in my own way. I'm lucky to have the ability to " shut off " so was able,,young as I was,,to accept this favouritism as part of the norm. It was no use kicking-off all the time. It was something I got used to,,,as I'm even like that now. Easy-going for the most part,,and,hopefully,well-balanced.

Hi Lookout

How we see ourselves doesn't necessarily represent reality 

If you're easy-going why highlight my post about the 'knitting circle ladies' as "puerile"?  Why not just ignore it and let it go as others do?

[lookout]

Hi Lookout

How we see ourselves doesn't necessarily represent reality 

If you're easy-going why highlight my post about the 'knitting circle ladies' as "puerile"?  Why not just ignore it and let it go as others do?

NN,,it's you who's brought the subject up.I let it go ages ago. Being pedantic doesn't suit you,NN.

[Patti]

BRITISH detectives are to return to Spain to investigate a possible gypsy link in the disappearance of Maddie McCann.
A team from Scotland Yard have already spent three days looking into claims that the youngster was smuggled into Spain and taken to Barcelona.
They met with both Spain’s UDYCO organised crime unit and detective Dave Edgar, who has spent years investigating the Spanish claims.
Now they are reported to be returning to investigate the theory that she was snatched by a child kidnap gang run by gypsies.
Portuguese police have already investigated a report by holidaymaker Andre van Wyk that he had seen a girl resembling Madeleine being taken in a cart to a gypsy camp near Portimao, about 16kms from where Maddie disappeared.
Days later a British holidaymaker Jean Godwin saw a girl – ’100 per cent Madeleine’ – being dragged around by ‘gypsy women’ 35kms away.
Her information was followed up by both detective Edgar working for the McCann’s and Portuguese police, but nothing was ever conclusive.
The latest development is part of an on-going ‘investigative review’ into the girl’s disappearance in Portugal in 2007, ordered by Prime Minister David Cameron last year.
Last week, the McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry welcome the on-going work by the Metropolitan Police and they are pleased that the investigative review is making progress.”

[Patti]

13 Dec 2011 ... BRITISH detectives are to return to Spain to investigate a possible gypsy link in the disappearance of Maddie McCann. A team from Scotland ...
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1 Sep 2010... claimed he knew she had been 'stolen to order' by a gypsy gang. Cancer sufferer Hewlett, who has a record of raping and abducting children ...
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29 Mar 2009 ... Her family lived like gypsies in a caravan. ..... She had overheard a conversation between the head of the gypsy family and another man.
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24 Jan 2010 ... TV highlight of the week was the start of My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding on Channel 4 . It was so over the top, we all loved it. American Idol was also ...
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7 May 2009 ... I can see her in the little, sort of, gypsy wagon that they had, asking me to come in and that's hard. You get memories and reality hits in again.
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by live music from band Gypsy. Rebel Rabble and will be fol- lowed by a screening of “$100 and a T-shirt”, a documentary about zines and zine makers.
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[killingeve]

The problem I have with all these Maddie theories eg stolen by gypsies to sell on to a childless couple or put on the streets to beg/stolen by an organised gang for a childless couple or a paedophile ring is why was she singled out?  As far as I am aware there have been no other reported incidents of such a disappearance anywhere in the area?

Personally I think she woke, wandered off and either got lost in the nearby building works or was snatched once outside the apartment by an opportunist predatory pedophile as with Sarah Payne.  Think how Sarah was snatched in seconds by Roy Whiting who just happened to be driving along at the moment Sarah fell out of sight of her siblings.  The other alternative is some sort of incident with the Tapas crowd but don't believe the parents were involved.

[Patti]

The problem I have with all these Maddie theories eg stolen by gypsies to sell on to a childless couple or put on the streets to beg/stolen by an organised gang for a childless couple or a paedophile ring is why was she singled out?  As far as I am aware there have been no other reported incidents of such a disappearance anywhere in the area?

Personally I think she woke, wandered off and either got lost in the nearby building works or was snatched once outside the apartment by an opportunist predatory pedophile as with Sarah Payne.  Think how Sarah was snatched in seconds by Roy Whiting who just happened to be driving along at the moment Sarah fell out of sight of her siblings.  The other alternative is some sort of incident with the Tapas crowd but don't believe the parents were involved.

There were other children missing in that area over the last few years leading up to Madeline's disappearance..I forget their names now, but could find out who they were. 

Amaral was dismissed after comments he made in the press and was investigated for the beating of a woman who he accused of killing her own daughter JM....There was also an incident on the beach where a couple saw a man snatching their child and Amaral accused them of telling lies and drowning the child in the sea. 

What is hard to except is the fact that child trafficking exists and that it is rife in Europe. 

No one knows what happened the night Madeline disappeared. I find it hard to except that her parents and their friends had anything to do with it.

You have to look at the evidence and at the moment the evidence is that the Smiths saw a man carrying a child at the same time Madeline went missing.

I doubt any planned attempt to steal her did not incorporate transport.  I can't except that an abductor had walked through a resort with a child in his arms.  If this is the case then the man that took her was either local, or on holiday at the time. 

[killingeve]

There were other children missing in that area over the last few years leading up to Madeline's disappearance..I forget their names now, but could find out who they were. 

Amaral was dismissed after comments he made in the press and was investigated for the beating of a woman who he accused of killing her own daughter JM....There was also an incident on the beach where a couple saw a man snatching their child and Amaral accused them of telling lies and drowning the child in the sea. 

What is hard to except is the fact that child trafficking exists and that it is rife in Europe. 

No one knows what happened the night Madeline disappeared. I find it hard to except that her parents and their friends had anything to do with it.

You have to look at the evidence and at the moment the evidence is that the Smiths saw a man carrying a child at the same time Madeline went missing.

I doubt any planned attempt to steal her did not incorporate transport.  I can't except that an abductor had walked through a resort with a child in his arms.  If this is the case then the man that took her was either local, or on holiday at the time. 

Hi Patti

I love you.  Lookout is horrible to me and doesn't accept my foibles   

Yes I know all about Amaral and the little Portuguese girl.  I think of it in statistical terms.  As far as I'm aware the only British children that have gone missing are Maddie on 2007 and Ben Needham in 1991.  That's two children in 16 years v millions of British children taken overseas every year.  There's much speculation that Ben's uncle took Ben on his moped and some accident happened whereby the 19 yo uncle panicked and covered up.  It's a possibility. 

Re Maddie personally the idea that 5a was watched and she was abducted just doesn't ring true based on the statistical facts.  As I said why single her out? 

Not forgetting that most child abuse, murder etc takes place by persons known statistically.

[Patti]

Hi Patti

I love you.  Lookout is horrible to me and doesn't accept my foibles   

Yes I know all about Amaral and the little Portuguese girl.  I think of it in statistical terms.  As far as I'm aware the only British children that have gone missing are Maddie on 2007 and Ben Needham in 1991.  That's two children in 16 years v millions of British children taken overseas every year.  There's much speculation that Ben's uncle took Ben on his moped and some accident happened whereby the 19 yo uncle panicked and covered up.  It's a possibility. 

Re Maddie personally the idea that 5a was watched and she was abducted just doesn't ring true based on the statistical facts.  As I said why single her out? 

Not forgetting that most child abuse, murder etc takes place by persons known statistically.

Lookout isn't horrible she is one of the nicest persons I know....but she tells it as it is.

Yes, you are correct with your statistics, it is more likely that children are either taken or murdered by someone they know.

It is very rare that British children are taken whilst on holiday abroad, but it does not mean it could not have happened.

There had been a spate of robberies in G block before Madeline disappeared.

I love you too....

[Patti]

Because those apartments were easily accessible to the public these are the ones that had been burgled...

[killingeve]

Because those apartments were easily accessible to the public these are the ones that had been burgled...

If a burglar was disturbed surely he/she would have just legged it.  If he/she attempted to quiten Maddie and it all went horribly wrong surely he/she would have again legged it and left her at SoC