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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1695 on: October 14, 2013, 11:53:AM »
I have much respect for these dogs, I just wished they could talk.... :) :) :) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vh5ObkBM3c

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1696 on: October 14, 2013, 11:59:AM »
Initials of the guy----------CR,,Patti.? Remember him.?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1697 on: October 14, 2013, 12:43:PM »
The Crimewatch cliffhanger ad with the dramatic music that ends with the promise of "revelation" to keep us in suspense is embarrassing, this isn't a soap opera or a tv drama, a little girl is missing.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1699 on: October 14, 2013, 01:19:PM »
I am afraid I cannot - not unless I buy new equipment before Monday night!

Hi Alias

Assuming it is available on iplayer, which I'm sure it will be,
I should be able to post the link for you to watch?  Unless of course you're based in N.Korea where everything is censored? 

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1700 on: October 14, 2013, 01:36:PM »
Policia Judiciaria Martin Grimes report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Policia Judiciaria Eddie & Keela Report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

Car search video:



Items and apartment search:


I am unsure of what kind of reception the McCann's receive in Portugal but I do think that many Portugese people are likely to believe that sadly, Maddy is dead.  Not sure what to make of this latest round of news frenzy and the arrest.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1701 on: October 14, 2013, 01:57:PM »
Initials of the guy----------CR,,Patti.? Remember him.?

Ridout?????????? Yes I do remember him Lookout. He was arrested and questioned at one point.  :)

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1702 on: October 14, 2013, 02:24:PM »
Roch/All :0

I suppose we all have different opinions on this case and its a matter of what you believe happened on the night Madeline disappeared. Like in the Bamber case we have to look at the evidence in what was provided to us. 

The first thing is that from the onset the crime scene was not cordoned off. The reason for this is because the police sent traffic cops to apartment 5A and they had no idea how to handle a crime scene. The PJ did not turn up till the following morning in the early hours.  This meant that any forensic evidence gained from the apartment was minimal.

The dogs played a key part in tracing blood and cadaver, but this is inadmissible in a British court.  Simply because its unsafe to convict on a dog bark alone....It would be ridiculous to do so.  The fact that our own police have dismissed this evidence, or should I say don't play on this evidence, tells me that its not that significant in finding out what happened to Madeline.

The key evidence in this case is the Smith's evidence which might feature on tonight's program.  Here we have several adults seeing a man carrying a child, a man that has never come forward despite world wide coverage of the case. Timing is important and its important to remember that when the Smith's saw this man both Madeline's parents were in the apartment. 

I think the hype of tonight's crimewatch is to attract as many viewer's as possible.  Tomorrow it will be shown in Holland and on Wednesday Germany.

I have faith in what Scotland Yard are up to, because I feel the whole investigation from the beginning was poor.  Its not about money its about a little girl that is missing from her family.   :(


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1703 on: October 14, 2013, 02:33:PM »
Ridout?????????? Yes I do remember him Lookout. He was arrested and questioned at one point.  :)





Hi Patti,,yes. If they'd showed a profile as well,then I'd have said without a doubt,because he's got a nose you could hang a kettle on.

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« Reply #1704 on: October 14, 2013, 02:35:PM »
Roch/All :0

I suppose we all have different opinions on this case and its a matter of what you believe happened on the night Madeline disappeared. Like in the Bamber case we have to look at the evidence in what was provided to us. 

The first thing is that from the onset the crime scene was not cordoned off. The reason for this is because the police sent traffic cops to apartment 5A and they had no idea how to handle a crime scene. The PJ did not turn up till the following morning in the early hours.  This meant that any forensic evidence gained from the apartment was minimal.

The dogs played a key part in tracing blood and cadaver, but this is inadmissible in a British court.  Simply because its unsafe to convict on a dog bark alone....It would be ridiculous to do so.  The fact that our own police have dismissed this evidence, or should I say don't play on this evidence, tells me that its not that significant in finding out what happened to Madeline.

The key evidence in this case is the Smith's evidence which might feature on tonight's program.  Here we have several adults seeing a man carrying a child, a man that has never come forward despite world wide coverage of the case. Timing is important and its important to remember that when the Smith's saw this man both Madeline's parents were in the apartment. 

I think the hype of tonight's crimewatch is to attract as many viewer's as possible.  Tomorrow it will be shown in Holland and on Wednesday Germany.

I have faith in what Scotland Yard are up to, because I feel the whole investigation from the beginning was poor.  Its not about money its about a little girl that is missing from her family.   :(

Hi Patti,

They could have been charged in Portugal though (I think?).  As far as I am aware the dogs were not trained to scent Madeleine's belongings.  They are trained to hone in on the odour left either by dead body or from blood traces.
I cannot see how the cadaver dog could provide a positive indication in the apartment between sofa and window, unless a dead body had at some point existed there.  If we go down the route of viewing the dog as having made an error, we are presented with the problem that the other dog trained to only scent blood gave a passive indication in the same spot.

Like you say, we all have different opinions.  I'm with the Portugese cops and the dogs. I think she died and somebody knows something about it. 



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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1705 on: October 14, 2013, 02:40:PM »
Policia Judiciaria Martin Grimes report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Policia Judiciaria Eddie & Keela Report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

Car search video:

<iframe width=\"420\" height=\"315\" src=\"//www.youtube.com/embed/FTF4JTLeOWA\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Items and apartment search:

<iframe width=\"420\" height=\"315\" src=\"//www.youtube.com/embed/8lrrMoUr3OA\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I am unsure of what kind of reception the McCann's receive in Portugal but I do think that many Portugese people are likely to believe that sadly, Maddy is dead.  Not sure what to make of this latest round of news frenzy and the arrest.







Hi Roch,,there is always the question of who had that hire car before the McCanns,,,and I don't think we ever found that out.
When the car was taken for testing,,it was actually driven away by one of the PJ's,,not wearing any protectve/forensic suiting,,and on one of his boots,there was a bloodstain which he also took into the car.
Instead of a specialised vehicle to use in transporting the car,,it was driven as I'd described above.
No caution was taken in the investigation,either by the police or forensic team.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1706 on: October 14, 2013, 02:52:PM »






Hi Roch,,there is always the question of who had that hire car before the McCanns,,,and I don't think we ever found that out.
When the car was taken for testing,,it was actually driven away by one of the PJ's,,not wearing any protectve/forensic suiting,,and on one of his boots,there was a bloodstain which he also took into the car.
Instead of a specialised vehicle to use in transporting the car,,it was driven as I'd described above.
No caution was taken in the investigation,either by the police or forensic team.

I understand your point about the police officer.  Though it was the cadaver dog that checked the hire car and traced cadaver scent, as opposed to blood dog / blood scent.  Regarding the hire car itself...  It would have to be a particularly macabre vehicle to have been used to transport another body altogether while being previously hired out to other people, then also find itself at the 'scentre' of the McCann case?  It's the same with the apartment.  How likely is it that the McCann's just happened to be accommodated in an apartment where another, different, previous body had lain insitu?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1707 on: October 14, 2013, 03:05:PM »
I understand your point about the police officer.  Though it was the cadaver dog that checked the hire car and traced cadaver scent, as opposed to blood dog / blood scent.  Regarding the hire car itself...  It would have to be a particularly macabre vehicle to have been used to transport another body altogether while being previously hired out to other people, then also find itself at the 'scentre' of the McCann case?  It's the same with the apartment.  How likely is it that the McCann's just happened to be accommodated in an apartment where another, different, previous body had lain insitu?







Roch,,the cadaver scent could also have been emanating from Kates' clothes as prior to their holidays,,she had attended to 6 deaths. No matter how much Kates' garments,etc would have been laundered/dry-cleaned,,the smell would still have been permeated in whatever she wore for a long time after.
The same dog was used around the PDL area but didn't detect anything untoward.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
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Roch,,the cadaver scent could also have been emanating from Kates' clothes as prior to their holidays,,she had attended to 6 deaths. No matter how much Kates' garments,etc would have been laundered/dry-cleaned,,the smell would still have been permeated in whatever she wore for a long time after.
The same dog was used around the PDL area but didn't detect anything untoward.

Hi Lookout,

Again I can see your point.  However that would imply that Kate wore the same clothing for attending deaths as she did for holidaying in Portugal?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
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Hi Patti,,yes. If they'd showed a profile as well,then I'd have said without a doubt,because he's got a nose you could hang a kettle on.

He fled PDL that night Lookout and travelled into Spain and left his car in Saville. Apparently he worked at a bar near where Madeline disappeared..200 yrds....it was said.  He is on the run from what I gather and not been seen since the 3rd of May......So I was wrong about him being arrested???????????