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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1425 on: May 19, 2013, 01:20:PM »
Thanks Patti. This case needs to be solved.

I hope so Alias...Its getting the PJ to reopen the case thats the problem. As it stands at the moment they refuse to reopen it because there is no new evidence.  I did read mind you, that the Yard would be able to interview anyone from the UK who is a person of interest. You never know, someone somewhere might know something.  :D :D :D :D

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1426 on: May 19, 2013, 02:13:PM »
I hope so Alias...Its getting the PJ to reopen the case thats the problem. As it stands at the moment they refuse to reopen it because there is no new evidence.  I did read mind you, that the Yard would be able to interview anyone from the UK who is a person of interest. You never know, someone somewhere might know something.  :D :D :D :D


Patti,,the apartments above the McCanns were being sub-let at the time,,unbeknown to the British owner of them,,and it's said that whoever occupied the apartments ( above 5a ) had a vantage point from every direction that the McCanns went and also that the family had been watched from the moment they themselves occupied No5a. I would guess that these were " the cleaners " mostly Brits. They must have had a key,eh.? Or our friend Murat let them in being as he had keys.?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1427 on: May 19, 2013, 02:45:PM »

Patti,,the apartments above the McCanns were being sub-let at the time,,unbeknown to the British owner of them,,and it's said that whoever occupied the apartments ( above 5a ) had a vantage point from every direction that the McCanns went and also that the family had been watched from the moment they themselves occupied No5a. I would guess that these were " the cleaners " mostly Brits. They must have had a key,eh.? Or our friend Murat let them in being as he had keys.?

Mrs Pamela Fenn 20 August 2007
Mrs Fenns statement, taken in Praia da Luz on the 20th of August 2007:

Included in the files as a witness statement.

Being of British nationality and in spite of living in Portugal, does not have knowledge of the Portuguese language in its oral and written form, therefore a police interpreter is present, UEVE VAN LOOCK. Thus, according to the facts noted in the files, she says that she has lived in the apartment since 2003, which is located on the upper floor, immediately above the room from which the child disappeared.

She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor.
As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.
That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the childs crying.
She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.
On the 3rd May she received a visit from her niece Carole during the morning, who said that when she was on her terrace she saw a male individual looking into the McCanns apartment, situation which has been told to the police, her family member even made a photo fit"
During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out ?we have let her down? which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.
She said that after the mothers shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl. She also refers to an episode when Gerry was speaking to a policeman and he refused to recognised the police force, saying that more agents of authority were needed to carry out the search.
When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCann apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late.

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence.
She said that until that night she had never spoken to the McCann's, because up until the 3rd May, she only sometimes saw them walking in the street. She never saw them with any vehicle.
She also said that she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering.

When questioned she said that she never saw any strange person or action before or after the event. She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence.

Having read and approved the statement, she signs,

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1428 on: May 19, 2013, 03:01:PM »
Oooooh,Mrs Fenn could have been the one who went into the apartment to soothe Madeleine when the child was crying.
It was Mrs Fenn who had the break-in,,wasn't it.? That was strange.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1429 on: May 19, 2013, 03:05:PM »
Lookout this statement is from the niece:  I can only show a bit of it...She visited the PFenn.

CT'Because it was what I saw first.

DC1485'yes.

CT'Humm... he was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short, not like mine but a little more, humm... but not like a footballer, do you know what I mean' A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'And, humm... then I believe I saw him wearing a blue-grey T-shirt, it was not dark blue, more of a pallid colour and it was, humm... a type of blue with short sleeves, humm... but I did not see anything below, I did not see the trousers or shoes or anything else, only the top part and he would have, I would say'humm, when looking from above, he was not short, I would say he was about a 1'78, about medium height. He was not thing nor was he muscular. So he was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian. Even though I was looking upwards, he had big eyes, there is nothing else. He did not have tattoos, nothing like this, humm'a person of common appearance, it was his furtiveness that called my attention, humm, no, I can't'

DC1485'Could you give him an age'

CT'Yes, I believe so, I would say that he was between, oh he was not old, 30 to 35, I don't believe that he was older than this.

DC1485'And his aspect'

CT'It was clear, he was light-skinned, he had no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, nor bronzed from the sun, he was a light colour, not white, white but you know'humm..he was not one who was exposed to the sun.

DC1485'And when he walked, did he have any particular walk or limp'

CT'No, I never really noticed his gait as I only saw him leave the gate. He did not appear incapacitated, hum' he was merely ordinary looking, I did not really look at his walk.

DC1485'You told me he did not have tattoos; was he wearing any jewellery'

CT'No, I did not see any jewellery, no, no he did not have necklaces or rings and as far as I could tell, he did not have earrings.

DC1485'And his T-shirt, you spoke to me about his T-shirt, did it have an inscription'

CT'No, it was a common shirt, without inscriptions, it was light blue in colour, or grey, it could have been grey, mmm.

DC1485'And the T-shirt, did it have buttons or was it simply something that went up to the neck'

CT'No, it went up to the neck and had sleeves, short sleeves, but not straps, of this type, just short sleeves.

DC1485'Yes, and was it loose-fitting'

CT'No it was not snug, it was not loose, it was comfortable.

DC1485'Did it fit him loosely'

CT'It was big but not by much.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'It was simply common, the type of T-shirt one wears on Saturday.

DC1485'Yes, yes.

CT'With inscriptions or anything in general, mmm.

DC'And he was well-shaven'

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'Yes without a beard or did you notice anything else'

CT'No, nothing from what I remember, because he was very blonde.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'But if he had a beard, I would have seen it.

DC1485'Spectacles'

CT'No, he did not have sunglasses, nor did he wear spectacles.

DC1485'He did not use sunglasses'

CT'No.

DC1485'Okay, and for how long did you think you saw him'

CT'Well, humm... the time it takes to leave, shut the gate, look to the side, look to that side, a few seconds because he did not take very long to do this, I would say that it was for a minute or something like that.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1430 on: May 19, 2013, 03:06:PM »
Oooooh,Mrs Fenn could have been the one who went into the apartment to soothe Madeleine when the child was crying.
It was Mrs Fenn who had the break-in,,wasn't it.? That was strange.

Yes it was an attempted robbery, but she did not enter 5a....Where have you got that from?? :-\ :) :) :)

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1431 on: May 19, 2013, 04:38:PM »
One night in a hotel in Turkey, a small child was crying for a length of time, and it got increasingly worse. after about twenty minutes of this, I just had to go and check on that child, so I went to the door and tried to talk to it. The mother came and seemed angry with me. Turned out she worked at the hotel and left her BABY son alone locked in the room....
Little kids should not be left unattended - ever! The Mcanns made a grave, grave error. Really cannot understand that, them being well educated people.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1432 on: May 19, 2013, 04:55:PM »
One night in a hotel in Turkey, a small child was crying for a length of time, and it got increasingly worse. after about twenty minutes of this, I just had to go and check on that child, so I went to the door and tried to talk to it. The mother came and seemed angry with me. Turned out she worked at the hotel and left her BABY son alone locked in the room....
Little kids should not be left unattended - ever! The Mcanns made a grave, grave error. Really cannot understand that, them being well educated people.

Indeed they did Alias. A mistake they will have to live with, because they are both intelligent enough to know that those children should never have been left. They did and paid the ultimate price for it.  6 years on it is only now that KM has left her two remaining children in the car whilst paying for petrol....this has had a devastating effect on all concerned at least now KM can face the demons and leave her children even if its to pay for petrol....while still having them in view....this is normal, but KM has not found normality since the day M disappeared. 

I am surprised that PFenn did not go down to the apartment to see what was wrong like you yourself did....after hearing cries for well over an hour....I certainly would have seeked some sort of help for the child...

I remember being left at Butlins holiday camp...I was hysterical having woken up all alone, but families did do it then...and there was a babysitter, or watch person who was employed by Butlins to do this...I remember the person outside...can't remember if it was male or female, but they took the chalet number and announced over the tannoy that a child was awake....Mu mum must have thought I was safe, but in reality I wasn't....anything could have happened.  :) :) :) :)

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1433 on: May 19, 2013, 05:17:PM »
Indeed they did Alias. A mistake they will have to live with, because they are both intelligent enough to know that those children should never have been left. They did and paid the ultimate price for it.  6 years on it is only now that KM has left her two remaining children in the car whilst paying for petrol....this has had a devastating effect on all concerned at least now KM can face the demons and leave her children even if its to pay for petrol....while still having them in view....this is normal, but KM has not found normality since the day M disappeared. 

I am surprised that PFenn did not go down to the apartment to see what was wrong like you yourself did....after hearing cries for well over an hour....I certainly would have seeked some sort of help for the child...


I remember being left at Butlins holiday camp...I was hysterical having woken up all alone, but families did do it then...and there was a babysitter, or watch person who was employed by Butlins to do this...I remember the person outside...can't remember if it was male or female, but they took the chalet number and announced over the tannoy that a child was awake....Mu mum must have thought I was safe, but in reality I wasn't....anything could have happened.  :) :) :) :)

I wish that more people would do that, don´t take anything for granted, meaning that the parents do have control.
Some years ago a little girl was murdered in the middle of the day - one block from where I was working, it was horrid! Turns out that a lady saw her being violently abducted - she assumed by her father, it was not her father! This girl could have been saved if that lady had reacted!!! So maddening.
I interfered on another occasion. Went shopping, and a baby in a pram outside a bub was crying, I went by; but when I returned from my shopping, the baby was STILL crying, so I went into the pub and asked who the baby belonged to. That mother was also angry with me... I don´t care, let them be mad!

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1434 on: May 19, 2013, 05:46:PM »
I wish that more people would do that, don´t take anything for granted, meaning that the parents do have control.
Some years ago a little girl was murdered in the middle of the day - one block from where I was working, it was horrid! Turns out that a lady saw her being violently abducted - she assumed by her father, it was not her father! This girl could have been saved if that lady had reacted!!! So maddening.
I interfered on another occasion. Went shopping, and a baby in a pram outside a bub was crying, I went by; but when I returned from my shopping, the baby was STILL crying, so I went into the pub and asked who the baby belonged to. That mother was also angry with me... I don´t care, let them be mad!

I agree Alias, so many hide behind closed doors these days and don't wish to get involved for fear of reprisals.  I was reading about a case yesterday where a young couples baby died. The baby had seen the nurse that morning and the nurse told the parents that the baby had a bad cold. Later that night the parents had a party and invited family and friends over. Ond of the partygoers changed and fed the baby and insisted to her mother after the baby had fitted to take it to hospital.  The parents left the baby till the next day and found it dead.  If only the person who had insisted, insisted more and the parents took some sort of responsibility then that poor little mite would be alive today. It was diagnosed that the baby had pneumonia and died of a natural death...but the couple involved were known to social services and the court has ruled they were indeed negligent and continued to party despite their child was ill.  This sort of thing sickens me.....  :'(

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1435 on: May 19, 2013, 06:02:PM »
I agree Alias, so many hide behind closed doors these days and don't wish to get involved for fear of reprisals.  I was reading about a case yesterday where a young couples baby died. The baby had seen the nurse that morning and the nurse told the parents that the baby had a bad cold. Later that night the parents had a party and invited family and friends over. Ond of the partygoers changed and fed the baby and insisted to her mother after the baby had fitted to take it to hospital.  The parents left the baby till the next day and found it dead.  If only the person who had insisted, insisted more and the parents took some sort of responsibility then that poor little mite would be alive today. It was diagnosed that the baby had pneumonia and died of a natural death...but the couple involved were known to social services and the court has ruled they were indeed negligent and continued to party despite their child was ill.  This sort of thing sickens me.....  :'(

Awww, poor little thing.  :'(

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1436 on: May 21, 2013, 06:17:AM »
Mike, at the door to apartment 5A, scene of the disappearence, and images taken by him, in a room of the derelict building, situated across the road of the church at PDL, Portugal:-
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1437 on: May 21, 2013, 06:22:AM »
Other paranormal images, captured in photographs:-

(1) - Ghostly image of Sheila "Bambi" Caffell, visible in bloodied part palm print on page of bible, found at the scene, in the White house farm, murder / suicide case, 1985...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1438 on: May 21, 2013, 10:07:AM »
I have always believed that the unoccupied apartment in the same block as the McCann contingent were staying in, may have played some role in MM's disappearence. Perhaps this is why Scotland Yard are now looking at identifying this team of casually empoyed cleaners know to be working in the area at the time...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1439 on: May 21, 2013, 11:14:AM »
I have always believed that the unoccupied apartment in the same block as the McCann contingent were staying in, may have played some role in MM's disappearence. Perhaps this is why Scotland Yard are now looking at identifying this team of casually empoyed cleaners know to be working in the area at the time...

Men seen loitering in the stairwell, and in the road could have been members of the casual cleaning gang, Scotland yard are now trying to trace. Clothing found by me in the derelict building fit the description given to one or men who were seen to be loitering around near the apartment block from where MM disappeared...

This clothing should be screened for presence of MM's DNA...
« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 12:21:AM by mike tesko »
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