The case of Madeleine McCann

[Hardy Boy]

It came from Stellander or Wedger HB. Or possibly both. Gerry is apparently dating a younger woman. It means nothing. The stress of it all must have been horrendous whether they were involved or not.

Thanks Roch, I’d never heard that. I was under the impression they were still together, but either way it must be absolute hell for them like you said.

It’s the same old thing,  when there’s no proof, people start filling the gaps. And once you’re labelled a suspect, it’s hard to ever lose that tag.

[Roch]

Oooo you old gossip.  Is there any evidence GM is "dating a younger woman"?

No I haven't so probably shouldn't have posted it.

[handymanz]

Not a scintilla of evidence exists linking CB with the disappearance of MM.  When the story first broke, around mid 2019, I was posting on Red and said straightaway it would not go anywhere. 

To understand the case it is necessary to consider the way in which the security to 5A, by way of doors and windows, was left each and every night along with the repetitive nightly habits of McCanns and T7.  You then realise this was not a random person happening on 5A but someone who was completely aware of the lack of security, accessible children and window of opportunity.  This narrows it down to 3 people: Mrs Fenn, Christopher and Carole Tranmer.  Afaik Christopher Tranmer has never even been interviewed by any police force despite the fact it is known he was only meters away from MM around the time she went missing. 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

Carole Tranmer interjected herself into the investigation by claiming she spotted some dodgy looking person hanging around 5A.  During the McCanns visit to Portugal she and her husband visited around the same time, staying about an hours drive away, and visited Ocean Club to visit Carole Tranmer's aunt, Mrs Fenn, who was the only owner occupier at Ocean Club.  Her apartment was directly above 5A. 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

I never knew about this aspect until you'd posted it.
What do you think of the findings via the 2 dogs. As in death in the McCanns apartment and blood etc in their hire car?

[Cambridgecutie]

I never knew about this aspect until you'd posted it.
What do you think of the findings via the 2 dogs. As in death in the McCanns apartment and blood etc in their hire car?

The dogs are unreliable.  As you probably know the handler and dogs were UK based.  After they were used in the MM case they were used in the UK involving another missing child, Shannon Matthews (SM).  After she was found alive the police conducted a strategic debrief: Operation Paris.  You can find the conclusion re the dogs at page 27 on the pdf and page 25 of the actual doc:

https://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

As you will see the dogs were alerting all over the place and SM was eventually found alive elsewhere.

They pick up the scent of the deceased even if in close proximity to inanimate items that have been around the deceased.  It is known that the partner of the owner of 5A died and the partner of the owner occupier of the apartment above had also died.  Both elderly and natural causes I believe. 

There is not a scintilla of evidence supporting the McCanns involvement.  I am as sure about anything as I can be they were not involved other than their negligence in leaving her alone in an unlocked apartment 

[Roch]

The dogs are unreliable.  As you probably know the handler and dogs were UK based.  After they were used in the MM case they were used in the UK involving another missing child, Shannon Matthews (SM).  After she was found alive the police conducted a strategic debrief: Operation Paris.  You can find the conclusion re the dogs at page 27 on the pdf and page 25 of the actual doc:

https://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

As you will see the dogs were alerting all over the place and SM was eventually found alive elsewhere.

They pick up the scent of the deceased even if in close proximity to inanimate items that have been around the deceased.  It is known that the partner of the owner of 5A died and the partner of the owner occupier of the apartment above had also died.  Both elderly and natural causes I believe. 

There is not a scintilla of evidence supporting the McCanns involvement.  I am as sure about anything as I can be they were not involved other than their negligence in leaving her alone in an unlocked apartment 

That is interesting - however, It says 'the value of the dogs is undoubtable'. The dogs in the McCann case alerted to specific locations areas as opposed all over the place. Also specific locations in the hire car. Are you suggesting that a dead pensioner's furniture was previously in the boot?  And how would this explain blood alerts (as opposed to cadaver alerts).

[Cambridgecutie]

That is interesting - however, It says 'the value of the dogs is undoubtable'. The dogs in the McCann case alerted to specific locations areas as opposed all over the place. Also specific locations in the hire car. Are you suggesting that a dead pensioner's furniture was previously in the boot?  And how would this explain blood alerts (as opposed to cadaver alerts).

In the case of SM the dogs were alerting all over the place because they were taken to multiple different locations.  In the case of MM they alerted to specific areas of 5A and in and around the hire car because that's where they were taken to.  The dogs are handler driven. 

The report does recognise the capability and potential of the dogs.  It also highlights their limitations and problems with alerts that are meaningless in terms of the investigation.

I spent months poring over the case in great detail on the Red forum some 6/7 years ago.

[Roch]

In the case of SM the dogs were alerting all over the place because they were taken to multiple different locations.  In the case of MM they alerted to specific areas of 5A and in and around the hire car because that's where they were taken to.  The dogs are handler driven. 

The report does recognise the capability and potential of the dogs.  It also highlights their limitations and problems with alerts that are meaningless in terms of the investigation.

I spent months poring over the case in great detail on the Red forum some 6/7 years ago.

I thought the dogs had checked the other Tapas 7 apartments? Also the dogs did not alert to any other vehicles in the line up of vehicles?

[Cambridgecutie]

I thought the dogs had checked the other Tapas 7 apartments? Also the dogs did not alert to any other vehicles in the line up of vehicles?

I believe they alerted to some meat hanging around as you would expect. 

I went into it all in fine detail 6/7 years ago and I can't recall all the detail now.  The word nuance seems to get lost on you eg dog alerts must mean x without considering if y is an equally plausible or more plausible explanation.

[Roch]

I believe they alerted to some meat hanging around as you would expect. 

I went into it all in fine detail 6/7 years ago and I can't recall all the detail now.  The word nuance seems to get lost on you eg dog alerts must mean x without considering if y is an equally plausible or more plausible explanation.

Hang on - you're not getting away that easily.  Are you saying the dogs checked the other apartments or not? Meat hanging up where? You have not answered re the line of other cars?

[Cambridgecutie]

Hang on - you're not getting away that easily.  Are you saying the dogs checked the other apartments or not? Meat hanging up where? You have not answered re the line of other cars?

If you're that interested may I suggest you read my posts on the Red forum.  It was all pored over in great detail 6/7 years ago:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10915.0

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10917.0

[Cambridgecutie]

Brueckner receives a 30 minute phone call at 7:32 pm, placing him in Praia De Luz area that night.

Bruckner is a convicted peadophile who is also suspected in other child obductions (Joana Cipriano and Inga Gehricke)

The day after Madelaine’s disappearance, Brueckner places his Jaguar in someone else's name and leaves for Germany.

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.msg600669#msg600669

[Cambridgecutie]

I thought the dogs had checked the other Tapas 7 apartments? Also the dogs did not alert to any other vehicles in the line up of vehicles?

Yes the dogs did check T7 apartments all with negative results.  Same for the vehicles:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

The McCanns and CB are no more responsible for MM's abduction (other than the McCann's negligence in leaving MM) than JB is for murdering his family. 

[David1819]

Hang on - you're not getting away that easily.  Are you saying the dogs checked the other apartments or not? Meat hanging up where? You have not answered re the line of other cars?

As I have explained to you before. A dog that does not lead investigators to an actual crime (a body, a bomb or drugs ect) is immaterial because you cannot cross examine a dog as to what was going through its thought processes.

Amaral the clown has named the location were he thinks Madeline is buried so why have the dogs not lead him to the body? 

[Hardy Boy]

As I have explained to you before. A dog that does not lead investigators to an actual crime (a body, a bomb or drugs ect) is immaterial because you cannot cross examine a dog as to what was going through its thought processes.

Amaral the clown has named the location were he thinks Madeline is buried so why have the dogs not lead him to the body? 

Poor Crispy, Bamber tried to deflect and take the blame for the second shot to the neck 😂

[Cambridgecutie]

As I have explained to you before. A dog that does not lead investigators to an actual crime (a body, a bomb or drugs ect) is immaterial because you cannot cross examine a dog as to what was going through its thought processes.

Amaralthe clown has named the location were he thinks Madeline is buried so why have the dogs not lead him to the body? 

Who did not even ensure Mrs Fenn and Carole and Christopher Tranmer were among the first to be interviewed on the basis of their close proximity to MM shortly before she disappeared.