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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3675 on: February 19, 2019, 09:33:AM »
How did the woman know about the little girl named 'Maddie' long before Kate had alerted everyone to the fact that Maddie had been taken?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3676 on: February 19, 2019, 09:39:AM »
It must have taken several minutes for Kate to act out her script, from the moment she left the tapas bar at 10.05pm, until she sounded the alert afterwards. I shall allow her the benefit of saying that the earliest period she could have acted out her script was 5 minutes, and on the flip side of the argument, that it took as long as say 10 minutes. This puts the time of Kate McCanns alert somewhere in the region of 10.10pm to 10.15pm..

So, how can the mysterious woman who gave that information to Williams at the night crèche have known that a little girl was missing whose name was 'Maddie', long before Kate could have given her alert to anyone, or everyone?

« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 09:40:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3677 on: February 19, 2019, 09:42:AM »
It must have taken several minutes for Kate to act out her script, from the moment she left the tapas bar at 10.05pm, until she sounded the alert afterwards. I shall allow her the benefit of saying that the earliest period she could have acted out her script was 5 minutes, and on the flip side of the argument, that it took as long as say 10 minutes. This puts the time of Kate McCanns alert somewhere in the region of 10.10pm to 10.15pm..

So, how can the mysterious woman who gave that information to Williams at the night crèche have known that a little girl was missing whose name was 'Maddie', long before Kate could have given her alert to anyone, or everyone?

Now, I believe I already know the identity of this mystery woman!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3678 on: February 19, 2019, 09:43:AM »
There does not exist any disclosed witness statement from her, but there does appear one from her husband / partner. In particular, the husband was interviewed by Leicestershire police in 2008, at which time the following matter was touched upon...


DCF: He was going to take a plane the next day to Switzerland, given that the children's mother lived there, I had never seen him before that night, but he ended up joining us for a coffee, he was a MW tourist. Another couple whose names I do not remember, sat at the table opposite us. A man was sitting on the esplanade having a drink whilst waiting for a take away, I spoke to them briefly, I hadn't realised that the Tapas bar had a take away service. At that time i didn't know their names. At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table, which was so close to ours that it was possible to converse with them, we spoke of tennis amongst other things, I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals (inaudible), I think it was to check on the children , but I do not remember with what frequency or how many times the people left the table to check on the children. We did not talk about the system for checking the children or the fact that they had left them alone in the apartment, it was only later upon hearing the news that I realised that they had left the children alone in the apartment and that they were regularly checking to see if they were all right. Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home, we walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance". OK, before going on the next part, do you remember at what time you left'

SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn't see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing "Madeleine, Madeleine" and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.

DCF: Yes, and where you state that it was on GMTV.

SC:: Yes..

DCF: I think that it was reported that it was a three year old child and probably thought who could it be and knew that Kate and Gerry were from Leicestershire and assumed that it was one of their children seeing that they had small children'

SC: Ah.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3679 on: February 19, 2019, 10:20:AM »
SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn't see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing "Madeleine, Madeleine" and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.

So, this couple leave the tapas bar at roughly the same time that Jayne Tanner, and when Russell O'Brien is returning to the tapas bar to inform the McCann parents that everything was in order back at 5A - please ignore the team  McCann scripts for now, bear with me, what I believe took place when O'Brien returned to the tapas bar at around 9.30pm, that Gerry McCann must have felt puzzled as to why it had taken him all of half an hour to check his own apartment since they had left together to do their respective apartment checks at about 9pm, and then O'Brien had checked the McCann apartment on his way back to the tapas bar, uninvited? So, McCann returns to his own apartment. Any suspicion suspected by McCann concerning O'Briens checking of apartment 5A, did not go unnoticed by Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner. Hence why shortly after Gerry McCann returned to do his second check of the evening at his apartment, Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the tapas bar together to go and check on Gerry McCann at 5A, and do another one of their own checks! These events must have coincided with the leaving of the couple from the tapas bar, and the all important evidence that the woman had heard (Someone calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine' twice in quick succession as the couple crossed the road)..

The couple in question, did not see Gerry McCann leave the tapas bar at around 9.30pm or him talking to Jez Wilkins in the street, neither did they see Russell O'Brien returning to the tapas bar just after he said he had checked the McCann apartment at just before 9.30pm. The couple did not see O'Brien or Oldfield leaving the tapas bar shortly after 9.30pm en route to catch up with Gerry McCann, and check their own apartments. Neither did the couple see Jane Tanner leave the tapas bar after her partner O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield left after 9.30pm, with the excuse that she was becoming concerned about the length of time that Gerry McCann had been away from the tapas bar?

So now we have got some semblance as to what the true movements of the group back and forth had been on that crucial evening..
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 10:24:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3680 on: February 19, 2019, 10:33:AM »
Please bear with me...

So the couple who left the tapas bar between 9.15 - 9.30pm on 3rd May 2007, have some important information / evidence concerning somebody calling out 'Madeleine, Madeleine', and this coincided with one or two interesting matters..

Because the couple don't see any of the team McCann either leaving the tapas bar or in the street outside the McCann apartment, and the uncertainty regarding the actual time that the couple left the tapas bar themselves, it leaves it open for one or other of the following persons to have been responsible for calling out 'Madeleines' name twice just as the couple were crossing the road in the vicinity of the McCann apartment..

Russel O'Brien
Gerry McCann
Russel O'Brien, and or Mathew Oldfield
Jane Tanner
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3681 on: February 19, 2019, 10:36:AM »
Please bear with me...

So the couple who left the tapas bar between 9.15 - 9.30pm on 3rd May 2007, have some important information / evidence concerning somebody calling out 'Madeleine, Madeleine', and this coincided with one or two interesting matters..

Because the couple don't see any of the team McCann either leaving the tapas bar or in the street outside the McCann apartment, and the uncertainty regarding the actual time that the couple left the tapas bar themselves, it leaves it open for one or other of the following persons to have been responsible for calling out 'Madeleines' name twice just as the couple were crossing the road in the vicinity of the McCann apartment..

Russel O'Brien
Gerry McCann
Russel O'Brien, and or Mathew Oldfield
Jane Tanner

It paves the way for someone who knew Madeleine personally, to have 'discovered her to be Missing' prior to Kate McCann raising the alarm at the end of her 10pm check!
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 10:37:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3682 on: February 19, 2019, 10:40:AM »
Please bear with me, because what I have to say next is important..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3683 on: February 19, 2019, 11:02:AM »
Please bear with me, because what I have to say next is important..

I shall start off by saying that Gerry McCann did not only do one check of apartment 5A at 9pm, he went back there at 9.30pm..

Secondly, Jane Tanner did not see Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins stand and be talking to one another in the street on any occasion prior to 9.30pm. if she did see them at any stage it could only have been after 9.30pm when Gerry McCann had gone to do his second check of apartment 5A.

Thirdly, it's possible that Jane Tanner never saw McCann and or Wilkins in the street on any occasion, be it before 9.30pm that evening, or afterwards. But then again, it could be true!

Next, it may be true that when Jane Tanner walked out of the tapas bar concerned about how long Gerry McCann had been away that Jane Tanner did see a man carrying a child in his arms, or 'Tannerman'...

Lastly for now, when Gerry McCann went back to apartment 5A at around 9.30pm, if Madeleine had been missing by that stage he would have alerted everyone to the fact that Madeleine was missing, he wouldn't leave it for another half an hour so that when Kate came to do her check on the apartment she would sound the alarm!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3684 on: February 19, 2019, 11:09:AM »
Russell O'Brien, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield, or Jane Tanner could have been the person overheard to be calling out Madeleine's name twice when the couple left the tapas bar at around 9.15 - 9.30pm. it suggests that someone was concerned about Madeleine long before Kate did her 10pm check.

We don't know whether the person who was overheard calling out Madeleine's name twice was a male, or a female - hence why Jayne Tanner is included in the list of suspects..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3685 on: February 19, 2019, 11:10:AM »
I have gleaned other information from the PJ files which I feel may be relevant to this...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3686 on: February 19, 2019, 11:31:AM »
The man seen carrying a child in his arms, known as ' Tannerman' could have been someone who had been to the night crèche to collect their toddler because when the couple were having dinner earlier at the tapas bar restaurant I believe their youngest child or both of their children may have been left with the child care workers. I think the male in the couple I am drawing attention to may have gone up the road at the front of blocks 5, 4 and 3 to collect one of their children and that what Jane Tanner claims she had seen was the man carrying his own child back from the night crèche toward his apartment. The couple in question certainly had an apartment in the direct of block 6 and beyond, and I believe this explanation fits in snugly with this account..

Moreover, I have given it some thought as to the reason why the mystery woman turned up at the premises of the night crèche at 10.05pm, knowing what she claimed to have known even though Kate McCann couldn't have alerted by that stage. I think that the mystery woman was the female half of the couple who were crossing the street at somewhere between 9.15pm and 9.30pm and she heard someone calling out the name ' Madeleine, Madeleine'. I think the couple went back to their apartment and that soon afterward the male went to get one of the children from the night crèche - this was the man seen by Jane Tanner, he was carrying his own child back from the night crèche. The presence of his wife or partner at the same night crèche at 10.05pm almost certainly coincided with the collection of their other child. By that stage the woman already knew that somebody was going to alert that Madeleine had gone missing. The only way she could have known what she knew beforehand was because she overheard team McCann and friends discussing how they could introduce the claim that Madeleine had gone missing..

This woman knew something was in the pipeline long before it got reported..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3687 on: February 19, 2019, 11:33:AM »
The man seen by Jane Tanner could have been the husband or partner of the couple I am talking about, and rather than he having attended the night crèche to collect one of his own children, it could have been arranged for him to carry off Madeleine's body to be collected shortly afterward by Gerry McCann..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3688 on: February 19, 2019, 11:35:AM »
The man seen by Jane Tanner could have been the husband or partner of the couple I am talking about, and rather than he having attended the night crèche to collect one of his own children, it could have been arranged for him to carry off Madeleine's body to be collected shortly afterward by Gerry McCann..

The couple could be part of the cover up, but the wife wasn't happy with them being drawn into it...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3689 on: February 19, 2019, 11:42:AM »
Evidence exists to show that there was a couple sat in the tapas restaurant bar when a chef came on duty at around the time the couple were about to leave the bar to go to their apartment (9.15  - 9.30pm), who made a witness statement stating that there was a couple already talking about a little girl who had gone missing and that this took place long before Russell O'Brien, Gerry McCanns, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield, and Kate McCann did their individual or collective checks on apartment 5A...

I believe this couple knew about something before the story broke in the media...
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