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Offline lookout

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2880 on: May 26, 2017, 12:23:PM »
I personally don't like the look of GM, not only that I don't like his cocky attitude! He thinks that because he has got friends in high places that he is somehow untouchable! Sorry, to me you come across in the media as manipulative, dominant, and a liar! Your wife, seems clearly frightened of you, you can see it in her expressions, every time she appears on TV with him!

Maddie is dead, she died in apartment 5a, on 3rd May 2007!

That is my opinion...






Mike,the same can be said of JB ? In the dock----cocky,arrogant and a " cut above ",plus those around him were " scared " and remain to be so if he's released ?

Behaviours/mannerisms don't mean a thing,unless you're talking hardened criminals who are so used to appearing before a judge that their cocky behaviour is second nature to them.

A lot of consultants/doctors/registrars have that air of authority about them,it seems to go with the job and I don't doubt that GM is a brilliant cardiologist.
It's just the way some people are and it's very difficult when you're in a position such as GM to be believed given the many horror stories you hear/read about concerning the NHS.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2881 on: May 26, 2017, 05:12:PM »
I personally don't like the look of GM, not only that I don't like his cocky attitude! He thinks that because he has got friends in high places that he is somehow untouchable! Sorry, to me you come across in the media as manipulative, dominant, and a liar! Your wife, seems clearly frightened of you, you can see it in her expressions, every time she appears on TV with him!

Maddie is dead, she died in apartment 5a, on 3rd May 2007!

That is my opinion...

My opinion is that your opinion is judgemental in the extreme.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2882 on: May 26, 2017, 07:12:PM »
The furthest Maddie got taken down to the beach was to that derelict building opposite the local church, and GM took her there...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2883 on: May 26, 2017, 07:29:PM »
My opinion is that your opinion is judgemental in the extreme.

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest she could still be alive after 10 years! Any parent would want to co-operate with the police if their child went missing whilst on holiday, irrespective of a person's legal right to remain silent! You would answer every question asked of you! You would do everything in your power to try to get your child back, you would not remain silent, or be evasive!

The nights the parents stayed at the church, was an ideal opportunity to nip across the road into the grounds of the derelict building where their daughters body was originally concealed! That building has never been searched, and neither have the garden at the rear! Even now there will still exist forensic evidence to link one or other parents, or both of them to that building (No. 5)...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2884 on: May 26, 2017, 07:35:PM »
I personally don't like the look of GM, not only that I don't like his cocky attitude! He thinks that because he has got friends in high places that he is somehow untouchable! Sorry, to me you come across in the media as manipulative, dominant, and a liar! Your wife, seems clearly frightened of you, you can see it in her expressions, every time she appears on TV with him!

Maddie is dead, she died in apartment 5a, on 3rd May 2007!

That is my opinion...
I'm trying to understand how Maddie could have banged her head after falling off the sofa, leaving blood for the McCanns to clean up. Did they have time..

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2885 on: May 26, 2017, 07:52:PM »
There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest she could still be alive after 10 years! Any parent would want to co-operate with the police if their child went missing whilst on holiday, irrespective of a person's legal right to remain silent! You would answer every question asked of you! You would do everything in your power to try to get your child back, you would not remain silent, or be evasive!

The nights the parents stayed at the church, was an ideal opportunity to nip across the road into the grounds of the derelict building where their daughters body was originally concealed! That building has never been searched, and neither have the garden at the rear! Even now there will still exist forensic evidence to link one or other parents, or both of them to that building (No. 5)...
A bit like Bamber, any son who was innocent would like to answer every question put to him by the police if you had lost your parents and sister, instead of being evasive, "don't know" can't remember "don't remember" "no comment"  "no comment" " I've got to get my words right" "can't say"

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2886 on: May 26, 2017, 08:47:PM »
A bit like Bamber, any son who was innocent would like to answer every question put to him by the police if you had lost your parents and sister, instead of being evasive, "don't know" can't remember "don't remember" "no comment"  "no comment" " I've got to get my words right" "can't say"

On the contrary, Jeremy Bamber did co-operate with police, he made two witness statements, one on the first day, and another witness statement on the second day of the investigation!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2887 on: May 26, 2017, 08:57:PM »
On the contrary, Jeremy Bamber did co-operate with police, he made two witness statements, one on the first day, and another witness statement on the second day of the investigation!
Yes and how he bragged to Colin about how many pages they amounted to, a legacy of his Gresham's days when he felt inferior to boys who had ever written more than him. What I'm sure was meant was the turning of the investigation from Jeremy as a bystander to him falling under suspicion on 8 September 1985, when the impediments to any further progress on the case started.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2888 on: May 26, 2017, 09:37:PM »
I'm trying to understand how Maddie could have banged her head after falling off the sofa, leaving blood for the McCanns to clean up. Did they have time..

I somehow don't believe David Payne's account about going to apartment 5a to see Kate McCann whilst Gerry was supposedly still playing tennis! I think that part is made up! Payne couldn't have seen the McCanns three children alive during the two or three minutes he says he was there with Kate! I think Maddie was already dead by that stage! Payne made the story up about seeing all three children alive and well, before he returned to the tennis court, after collecting his equipment from his own apartment! I believe that Kate sedated Maddie because of the commotion and fuss created by Maddie during the previous evening, when she and the other two children had been heard crying ! On that occasion it appears that the McCanns had not returned to the apartment to check on their children's safety every 30 minutes or so! I believe Kate over sedated her daughter, and her husband, with the help of the others sought to cover up the death! The 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment was key to the removal of the body from inside the apartment! It is not just a coincidence that neither parent attended at that time, or that Gerry had done the early check (9.05am) and Kate left to make the later check (10pm) to raise the alarm! Two of the tapas group who left the tapas bar at around 9.30pm, each played a role in the child's disappearence! Only one of the two entered apartment 5a via the patio door and carried out a Mickey mouse check without physically seeing Maddie at all! The second chap went to the front of the apartment block, and entered 5a via the unlocked front roadside doorway! He picked up the child's body and left in the direction of the car park at the front of the building! At the top of the road, he turned left and then just before he turned right there was a religious statue and some waste land! Maddie's body was concealed in the shrubbery near to the aforementioned statue! In the mean time, the group member (Matt) returned to the tapas restaurant and told the parents that everything was fine back at the McCann apartment! The truth is, it was a coded message, their way of saying to the parents in a public setting that they had removed the child's body! As time moved on Kate must have been frantic with worry and decided to do her now we'll reported 10pm check! By the time she was setting the bedroom door, and it slammed shut, and the curtains flailed, because the bedroom window was open, the steel shutter raised, and of course the abductor of Maddie's body who had removed the body to the prearranged location near to the statue, had returned back to apartment 5a and met with Kate! She didn't use her mobile phone to raise the alarm, or go to the balcony of the patio door and shout from the top of her voice that her daughter was missing! There was no need to, because at least two people back at the tapas bar already knew that Maddie had died (GM and Matt). These two people knew that any time soon immediately after Kate went to do the 10pm check that Maddie would be reported as missing! She didn't leave her other two children alone when she went back to the tapas bar to raise the alarm, because David Payne remained in apartment 5a! As soon as Kate got back to the tapas bar, she started yelling, 'they've taken her, theyv'e taken her, Maddie is gone'!!

The significance of these comments, 'theyv'e taken her, theyv'e taken her, Maddie is gone', providing a key insight into the mindset of Kate, who knew that during the 9.30pm check, that Matt and David had gone to the McCan apartment to get rid of the body! Kate's comments aforementioned, now being fully understood in the wake of what is now believed to have happened!

Matt and David played a key role in the disappearence of Maddie's body, David carrying the body out of the apartment and hiding it in shrubbery near to the aforementioned statue!

Once the alarm was raised, Gerry McCann Raced off to collect his daughters body from the location where it had been conveniently placed! He picked up his daughters lifeless body and carried it down in the direction of the beach where he crossed paths with the Smith contingent! The street where this occurred was well lit by street lamps! At the end of that street was 'LUZDOC', by the time GM had passed the Smiths carrying Maddie, the LUZDOCs was closed, so he made his way to the local church, with the derelict building directly opposite! He concealed his daughters body in that building!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2889 on: May 26, 2017, 09:50:PM »
Yes and how he bragged to Colin about how many pages they amounted to, a legacy of his Gresham's days when he felt inferior to boys who had ever written more than him. What I'm sure was meant was the turning of the investigation from Jeremy as a bystander to him falling under suspicion on 8 September 1985, when the impediments to any further progress on the case started.

By the time the case changed in September 1985, Jeremy had already given his account in great detail, in the form of two witness statements, one dated, 7th, the other 8th August 1985! During his interviews he was being asked about planning to kill his family as alluded to by Julie Mugford, there was no direct evidence available by that stage that he might have killed anyone! Otherwise, why did he get bail?

It was after he got bail that Mick Ainsley, with the help of suspicious relatives framed Jeremy Bamber for all five murders, including his sister, when Ainsley knew with 100% certainty that Jeremy could not have shot his sister, not once, not twice, because she was not shot and eventually killed until after the firearm officers entered the farmhouse at around 7.30am...

On the 8th August, Cops made a startling discovery whilst using a metal detector in the kitchen looking for bullet cases...

What they found was a piece of evidence which could have changed the course of the trial, had it not been given back to the family by the cops, after the find of the silencer by David Boutflour on 10th August 1985..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2890 on: May 26, 2017, 09:59:PM »
Maddie's body was originally deposited close to this statue after the 9.30pm check, and once Kate raised the alarm, GM collected the body and walked briskly down toward the sea front!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2891 on: May 26, 2017, 10:13:PM »
I'm still unclear as to how Maddie died. Did she wake up and fall off the sofa, in which case there would be blood for Gerry to clean up before the alarm was raised, a smell of bleach or other trace evidence. I'm not sure any of the other Tapas 7 were involved because husbands tell wives and wives blab and I'm sure it would all have come out by now.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2892 on: May 26, 2017, 10:33:PM »
I'm still unclear as to how Maddie died. Did she wake up and fall off the sofa, in which case there would be blood for Gerry to clean up before the alarm was raised, a smell of bleach or other trace evidence. I'm not sure any of the other Tapas 7 were involved because husbands tell wives and wives blab and I'm sure it would all have come out by now.

Nobody saw Maddie return to apartment 5a, alive and well...

David Payne's account about going to see Kate and him seeing all three of their children alive and well, just does not make any sense! Why did Payne feel like he's got to see Kate, to make sure she was ok?

Something happened which Payne, Kate and GM had been privy too....

I believe Payne definitely played some role or other in the disappearence of Maddie's body from Apartment 5a..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2893 on: May 26, 2017, 10:42:PM »
After tea, Payne, Matt and Russel went to do some sailing and there was some sort of mishap, almost a tragedy, when one of them nearly drowned! Maybe this incident might be linked to Maddie's demise! It's funny how, Payne comes from the beach via the tennis court, and seeks out Kate, and makes a false account about seeing all three of the McCann children alive and well! I don't believe him! There was obviously something so very wrong involving Maddie by that stage!  Were children of the group involved in the tragedy at the beach? Payne was very vague when explaining to cops about who he came from the beach with after the incident! Was Maddie with them at the beach after tea? Did she drown? Was she poorly? Did she later choke to death on her own vomit once they got her back to apartment 5a?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2894 on: May 26, 2017, 10:48:PM »
As I say, the street where the Smiths saw GM carrying his daughter was well lit at the time!
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