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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2745 on: May 16, 2017, 09:45:AM »
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/news.sky.com/story/amp/what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann-six-possible-theories-examined-10852674&ved=0ahUKEwjdzvjd_fLTAhWpA8AKHZ5-AzUQFgglMAM&usg=AFQjCNEO_-4WzpqlVw8GN2-5VPEeQUyvbw

Here are some theories.

The flaw in my theory that she was taken to be sold to willing parents abroad, is there were two younger children available.

It says the most plausible theory is she was taken to be sold into slavery in Morroco. Not sure how much use a 3 year old would be for slavery. Seems a bit extreme going to another country to kidnap someone for this. Were there no available slaves in Morroco ?

Think it's a bit of a weak reason that a predator/s with the intention of selling Madeleine on to a person/people that wanted children, wouldn't have picked Madeleine.

There was only a years difference in ages between the three children & the other children may have been just as big. The predator didn't have time to pick & choose & it would have been dark.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2746 on: May 16, 2017, 10:18:AM »
The apartment I was staying in was the same layout as the one which Maddie was taken from, I was able to recreate the vacuum spoken about in Kate McCanns account involving the children's bedroom door slamming, and the curtains flailing at the open window / shutter repeatedly without deviation providing the bedroom window and shutter was open and raised, the bedroom door slightly ajar, and both the patio door, and the front door were both open all at one and the same time! What this alerted me to at the time of these experiments was the very strong possibility that someone was already inside the apartment waiting for Kate to come, or that the person concerned re-entered the apartment just after Kate arrived there! The key feature being that someone opened the front door on the roadside of the apartment which caused the bedroom door to slam shut! The front door must have remained open long enough for Kate to push the door back open and for her to go to the bedroom window where the curtains were flailing to notice that the window was open and the steel shutter raised!

Kate does not state how long this phenomena lasted for?

Somebody had a key to the front door of the apartment and used it to gain access to it despite the patio door on the poolside of the apartment being left unlocked. The only persons known to have had such a key were the parents and the hotel reception..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2747 on: May 16, 2017, 10:19:AM »
Nobody forced up the steel shutter of the bedroom window, or forced the window itself open, the shutter and the window were set like that as a ruse!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2748 on: May 16, 2017, 11:06:AM »
Nobody forced up the steel shutter of the bedroom window, or forced the window itself open, the shutter and the window were set like that as a ruse!

Maddie was almost certainly taken out via the road side front door and carried down toward the sea as seen by the Smith family!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2749 on: May 16, 2017, 11:13:AM »
(1) - http://thesmithsighting.blogspot.co.ukttp://thesmithsighting.blogspot.co.uk
(2) - https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/the-smiths-sighting.html

An Irish family holidaying in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine McCann went missing say they will "fully cooperate" with any new police probe.

Louth couple Martin and Mary Smith were quizzed by investigators after they claimed to have seen a man carrying a young child through the town on the night of the May 3, 2007.

Madeleine was almost four years old when she vanished from her bed in her parents' apartment at the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz between 9.35pm and 10pm on May 3, 2007.

Despite a massive police investigation and huge publicity worldwide, she has not been found. However it has now emerged that a group of Portuguese detectives have been appointed to carry out a fresh review of the investigation.

Now, the Irish couple who were interviewed by police following the girl's disappearance are bracing themselves to be reinterviewed.

Reports in British newspapers have claimed Scotland Yard officers will approach the Smith family in the coming weeks as they attempt to construct a photofit on the prime suspect.


Tragedy

Mary Smith told the Herald today that the family still sees Madeleine story as a "terrible tragedy" and that they will co-operate fully with investigators.

"At this point we just don't know whether we will be called but of course we will cooperate fully. Madeleine's disappearance was just a terrible tragedy," she added.

"We have not been contacted by police yet and we will wait for their instructions," she added.
Police reports state that Mary and Martin left Kelly's Bar in the resort at approximately 10pm when they passed a male they said was carrying a young girl who was barefoot..
 
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2750 on: May 16, 2017, 11:19:AM »
Kate McCanns visit to the apartment and her account relating to the slamming of the bedroom door, curtains flailing, window open, shutter raised upward, Maddie taken, Maddie gone, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' coincided perfectly with the timing of the Smith sighting of the bare footed child being carried by a man who the Smiths believed to have been Gerry McCann down toward the sea front in the resort at just after 10pm...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2751 on: May 16, 2017, 12:57:PM »
Think it's a bit of a weak reason that a predator/s with the intention of selling Madeleine on to a person/people that wanted children, wouldn't have picked Madeleine.

There was only a years difference in ages between the three children & the other children may have been just as big. The predator didn't have time to pick & choose & it would have been dark.
True enough.  My real point is as I have said that any loving caring mother ( or father or both)who has a need to fill the empty hole in her life because she is childless would never get satisfaction from taking some other mother's child leaving her bereft. It's hard enough to adopt a child with another mother's blessing, goodness knows.  Therefore it is more than likely whatever the child was stolen for it would not be for a loving family life... unfortunately. 

That is my argument therefore in many ways I believe however brutal it sounds, it is probably better that she died however dreadful that is, makes your heart bleed for all of them. 
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2752 on: May 16, 2017, 01:29:PM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

58 to 65 Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy 2007.05.04
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Kate's interview took place on the day after Madeleine's disappearance, 04/05/07 at 2.20pm.

On the subject of the proceedings:

The interviewee was heard as a victim, being the mother of the minor. Of British nationality, she has no command of the Portuguese language, spoken or written. Thus, the interview was done in the presence of an interpreter: Natalia C.F. de A. The interviewee says she has been married to Gerald since December 1998. She has never been to Portugal before. The trip came at the suggestion of friends, who convinced them, at the end of last year, to spend their holiday in Portugal. The trip was organised by David Payne, who made the Praia da Luz Ocean Club reservation on the Internet for the interviewee and her husband, as well as for the rest of the group, a total of 9 adults and eight children, including her daughter Madeleine. She has known some members of the group since the year 2000 and others for a year. She was a colleague of David's wife.

They travelled in two separate groups. One of the groups was composed of the interviewee, her husband Gerald, their three children, David and his wife, the mother-in-law and their two children. One of the groups left from Leicestershire and the other from London.

The meeting point was the Ocean Club where the interviewee's group arrived on Saturday April 28th at around 3pm from Faro airport in an airport mini bus. The other group arrived on the same day, late morning.

After checking in, the interviewee and her family were placed in apartment G5A. The nuclear family comprises the interviewee, her husband, her daughter Madeleine and twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 2 years.
The apartment has two beds in one bedroom, and two in another where there are also two cots on loan from the Ocean Club.

The interviewee and her husband sleep in one bedroom and the three children in the other. The twins sleep in cots, Madeleine in a normal bed, the other bed staying empty.

Between the day of the arrival, April 28th, and the time that Madeleine's disappearance was discovered, the interviewee says that she noticed nothing unusual. She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She thought her daughter's comment strange because it was the first time she had talked about it.

The routines

The day after their arrival, they went for breakfast at around 7.30/8.30 at the Ocean Club, in a bar situated some distance from the apartment. On the following days, because the bar was quite far away, they started buying supplies from the "BAPTISTE" supermarket, located on the same road as the apartment and they had their first meal of the day in the apartment.

After breakfast, at around 9/9.30am, the children went to the club called the "KIDS CLUB" where they did various activities such as painting, collage etc. They stayed there until around 12.30pm, constantly supervised by several Ocean Club employees in a ratio of three children to one employee. Within the "Kids Club" because of the difference in ages, the twins were in one group and Madeleine in another, with separate activities.

At 12.30pm, the parents would collect their children and have lunch in their apartment since they have provisions. After lunch, at around 1.30pm, the children spend time close to the club's swimming pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes, where they play and have sun cream applied. After this time, they take the children to the "Kids Club" until around 5/5.30pm, the time when the children eat in a bar under the watchful gaze of the parents. After the 5pm dinner, they give the children a bath, prepare them for the night and let them play for a while in a playground next to the tennis courts, still and always under parental supervision. At around 8pm, the children are put to bed until the following morning when the described routines start all over again. While the children are at the "Kids Club," the interviewee played tennis with her husband, went for walks, read or went "Jogging."


Thursday May 3rd 2007
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 8.30pm, the interviewee and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour, and given that the building is very close, the interviewee and her husband went to make sure the children were OK. Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Faced with this situation,she verified that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband and the others to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.

Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, when she went to her apartment to see her children at around 9.15pm, saw from the back [rear] about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person, in what she thinks were jeans, with a child in his arms and walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself.

Comment: (from AnnaEsse.) are a couple of words missing from this last paragraph' Should it read, "Later, Jane.....said she saw..."' Or is there another way I can translate, "Plus tard," in that context'

Concerning Madeleine, she is Caucasian, white, aged four years (12/05/2003) about 90cm tall. Very slim, dark blond hair; shoulder-length. Left eye blue-green same as the right, which has a brown spot. She has a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg as well as sunburn on her right forearm. She has no scars. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing pyjamas with white bottoms with a floral pattern. The short-sleeved top, mainly pink with a blue-grey figure of a donkey bearing the inscription, "EEYORE," an inscription which is also on one of the trouser legs. The pyjamas are "Marks and Spencer" brand.

Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger. She has no suspicions to talk about, finds no reason for this act, neither she nor her husband has enemies. She states that her daughter has no illnesses and is not on any medication.

Following a request from the inspector, she authorises a reading of the calls on her mobile phone. Apart from the Kids Club and the apartment, they only went once to the beach with Madeleine and the other children and only for a very short period of time, since the weather was changeable. They could only go to the beach between 1.30 and 3pm, the time when they went back to the club. At the beach, they only ate an ice cream then they went back to the apartment. Apart from that, on the Wednesday or Thursday, Madeleine and the other children went sailing at the beach five minutes on foot from the club, for an hour, organised by the resort itself. The supervision and planning were the responsibility of the club. The interviewee and her husband were not present. She never noticed any strange behaviour during these recent days which could explain the disappearance. After having been shown the list of the Ocean Club's guests, she says she only knows the names of those of the group. Other than the child, nothing else has disappeared, neither clothes nor the child's jewellery. (' parures') The interviewee did not have an intercom, unlike David and Fiona Payne who were able to hear crying or any kind of noise. She has nothing else to add. After having read the deed, she confirms it, ratifies it and signs it with the interpreter.

Enfants Kidnapp' 26/08/08
1804 Consent from Kate McCann for DNA analysis of swab 2007.05.10
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 I, Kate Marie Healy...................................hereby declare my authorisation, for the purposes of DNA examination, that a mouth swab be taken from me at the Portimao DIC.

Portimao, 10th May 2007


Signed

K. Healy
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2753 on: May 16, 2017, 03:09:PM »
I'm with the Smiths in believing that it was Gerry carrying Maddie in the direction of the beach!  The timing of the sighting is estimated not exact, and I don't believe Gerry was sat at the tapas bar table at the time of the Smith sighting! According to the Portuguese police there is no independant evidence that Gerry McCann was at the table the whole of the time after his return to the tapas bar from his supposed 9pm check...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2754 on: May 16, 2017, 03:15:PM »
In any event, it would have taken Gerry 10 minutes to carry Maddie from 5a to the beach and slightly less time to return after dumping his daughter somewhere close to the shore line! Jane Tanner gave Gerry an alibi by declaring that she saw him talking to a man with a pushchair on the pavement opposite apartment 5a - yet Gerry himself has no recollection of seeing her...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2755 on: May 16, 2017, 03:20:PM »
It is interesting to note that Gerry was away from the tapas bar an inordinate length of time on the 9pm check - ample time for him to carry his daughter to the beach, conceal her body temporaliy and make his way back to the tapas bar before the supposed 9.30pm check by colleagues...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2756 on: May 16, 2017, 03:24:PM »
It is interesting to note that Gerry was away from the tapas bar an inordinate length of time on the 9pm check - ample time for him to carry his daughter to the beach, conceal her body temporaliy and make his way back to the tapas bar before the supposed 9.30pm check by colleagues...

Gerry would be back at the tappas bar in time for Kates check at 10pm, and her discovery of Maddie being taken, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddy is gone'...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2757 on: May 16, 2017, 03:28:PM »
It is interesting to note that Gerry was away from the tapas bar an inordinate length of time on the 9pm check - ample time for him to carry his daughter to the beach, conceal her body temporaliy and make his way back to the tapas bar before the supposed 9.30pm check by colleagues...
I find it really hard to believe that Gerry McCann, a cardiologist who spends his working life trying to save lives could even contemplate hiding the death of his daughter and dumping her precious little body on a beach. 

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2758 on: May 16, 2017, 03:33:PM »
Another anomaly is the total absence on the part of both parents of any suspicion on the two group members who 'volunteered to check' 5a at 9.30pm when it was Kates time to check on the children! If Maddie had not been taken by the time Gerry left 5a, it was crucial to know the exact time Maddie went missing! Rather bizarrely the person making the check did not visually see Maddie in her bed during his 9.30am check, so the task of trying to establish the truth is further hampered...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2759 on: May 16, 2017, 03:35:PM »
I find it really hard to believe that Gerry McCann, a cardiologist who spends his working life trying to save lives could even contemplate hiding the death of his daughter and dumping her precious little body on a beach.

As difficult as it may seem, everything points to his involvement! The Smith sighting of him is compelling...
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