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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #780 on: April 14, 2016, 12:29:AM »
If we take Jeremy's early years of being bullied on the school bus because of his accent, always feeling slightly apart maybe but his life smoothed by the Bamber money at home, yet a desperate feeling of loneliness as he is sent away to a place where he doesn't excel and is again aloof, albeit desperately wanting to fit in with his peers as is the desire of all teenagers. Up to this point he has not been pushed or made excessive demands on, yet he has followed a regimented routine for eight years, of which he tires and begins to rebel. He is allowed to sow his wild oats on two foreign trips abroad maybe as an equilibrium to June paying for Sheila's modelling portfolio and the Hampstead flat, succeeded by Moreshead mansions.

At this point Jeremy is refused further funds and senses an unfairness in the quid pro quo of Bourtree Cottage, which he has to furnish himself in addition to expending long hours at the Farm, and sees the Gresham's years as wasted years which prepared him for very little. He cannot bring himself to relinquish his inheritance as Julie suggests, but is trapped on the Farm under the terms of his father's will, coupled with this having a sense that life is passing him by and "it's important to have money whilst you're young."  The grievance with Sheila becomes personal and spills over to her children, who are reaching the age at which he was packed off to school, with all the expense that would entail. The final illness of Sheila in March 1985 is the excuse he needs to do away with her as well as his parents, who were always first in line anyway, but the demise of his sister and nephews tidies up the estate with himself becoming sole beneficiary and able to start life anew.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #781 on: April 14, 2016, 01:09:AM »
If we take Jeremy's early years of being bullied on the school bus because of his accent, always feeling slightly apart maybe but his life smoothed by the Bamber money at home, yet a desperate feeling of loneliness as he is sent away to a place where he doesn't excel and is again aloof, albeit desperately wanting to fit in with his peers as is the desire of all teenagers. Up to this point he has not been pushed or made excessive demands on, yet he has followed a regimented routine for eight years, of which he tires and begins to rebel. He is allowed to sow his wild oats on two foreign trips abroad maybe as an equilibrium to June paying for Sheila's modelling portfolio and the Hampstead flat, succeeded by Moreshead mansions.

At this point Jeremy is refused further funds and senses an unfairness in the quid pro quo of Bourtree Cottage, which he has to furnish himself in addition to expending long hours at the Farm, and sees the Gresham's years as wasted years which prepared him for very little. He cannot bring himself to relinquish his inheritance as Julie suggests, but is trapped on the Farm under the terms of his father's will, coupled with this having a sense that life is passing him by and "it's important to have money whilst you're young."  The grievance with Sheila becomes personal and spills over to her children, who are reaching the age at which he was packed off to school, with all the expense that would entail. The final illness of Sheila in March 1985 is the excuse he needs to do away with her as well as his parents, who were always first in line anyway, but the demise of his sister and nephews tidies up the estate with himself becoming sole beneficiary and able to start life anew.

This is not how you solve crimes. If you want to base your arguments on psychological circumstances there is a much more evidence against Shelia than there is against Jeremy.

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« Reply #782 on: April 14, 2016, 07:24:AM »
This is not how you solve crimes. If you want to base your arguments on psychological circumstances there is a much more evidence against Shelia than there is against Jeremy.


But there is a psychological background to EVERY story. Nothing JUST happens. Sheila's psychological background is to the forefront. Jeremy's is hidden.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #783 on: April 14, 2016, 08:19:AM »
This is not how you solve crimes. If you want to base your arguments on psychological circumstances there is a much more evidence against Shelia than there is against Jeremy.






I would agree with that. We don't know yet whether Sheila had ever mentioned suicide in her past,but I know one thing,when she told Dr.Ferguson that she could kill her children and that they could harm her,etc,alarm bells SHOULD have rang.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #784 on: April 14, 2016, 08:28:PM »





No story Stephanie.....he just had his hair cut and asked for me to keep it. Which I have done.

Have you ever considered the reason he gave you these items could have been to keep you under his spell? That he appointed you the keeper of his possessions and hair as a subtle form of manipulation? He relies on the knowledge that you won't betray him by throwing away the items (though they probably mean very little to him, if at all and he's probably never asked for there return) and this keeps you under his spell. But he knows you won't get rid of them because he knows you are a women who stands firm on her word. Something he is incapable of doing, or understanding nor really gives much consideration to..

I wonder if he's ever given other people items like this?
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« Reply #785 on: April 14, 2016, 08:32:PM »
I would have said it was even-steven between them both, what with Jeremy's musings to Julie and Sheila's colloquy with Helen Grimster, and later June and Barbara. In fact I'm surprised that family lasted as long as it did when Nevill was being threatened by two men on the telephone as another harbinger of doom.

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« Reply #786 on: April 14, 2016, 08:41:PM »
This is not how you solve crimes. If you want to base your arguments on psychological circumstances there is a much more evidence against Shelia than there is against Jeremy.

You cannot get a conviction based on psychological circumstances but you can almost certainly get a good understanding of the suspect you are investigating; as I believe the police did in Bambers case. He wasn't refereed to as a psychopath for the sake of it..

In your mind there is much more evidence against Sheila but in reality the evidence clearly points to
Bamber. Your bias view that JM lied reflects your lack of understanding with regards her evidence. She had nothing to gain by making things up. Her evidence clearly shows she was not making things up.

You seem to forget not only do we have the evidence that convicted Bamber we have 30 years of evidence which shows his guilt.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #787 on: April 14, 2016, 09:28:PM »
I would have said it was even-steven between them both, what with Jeremy's musings to Julie and Sheila's colloquy with Helen Grimster, and later June and Barbara. In fact I'm surprised that family lasted as long as it did when Nevill was being threatened by two men on the telephone as another harbinger of doom.





Somebody had it in for them,but it certainly wasn't Jeremy.

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« Reply #788 on: May 11, 2016, 08:23:PM »
Jeremy in 2008 in optimistic mood or reconciled to his fate?  In the aftermath of these horrific murders there are apparently 58 photos which he wants released. If they are sensitive they should be viewed by an independent panel including Michael Mansfield QC and Peter Tatchell. As for his life sentence, David Boutflour commented: "I am saddened that he will have to spend the rest of his life in prison, but for everybody's security I think that is the only place he can remain."  http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/bamber_i_will_die_a_free_man_1_188927

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« Reply #789 on: May 11, 2016, 08:36:PM »




Somebody had it in for them,but it certainly wasn't Jeremy.

That's right, he tried out tranquilisers on himself for fun.

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« Reply #790 on: May 11, 2016, 08:54:PM »
Does anyone know if the two shots to Sheila had been contact shots her DNA was more likely to have been found in the silencer?  http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/2001/03/12/BSP120301024/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

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« Reply #791 on: May 11, 2016, 08:58:PM »
Does anyone know if the two shots to Sheila had been contact shots her DNA was more likely to have been found in the silencer?  http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/2001/03/12/BSP120301024/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

It is hard to say Steve, there are too many variables at play.

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« Reply #792 on: May 11, 2016, 09:18:PM »
It is hard to say Steve, there are too many variables at play.
Even so, with years elapsed there should be some answer forthcoming.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #793 on: May 11, 2016, 09:32:PM »
This is not how you solve crimes. If you want to base your arguments on psychological circumstances there is a much more evidence against Shelia than there is against Jeremy.

What evidence is against Sheila ? Without revealing you're forensic evidence breakthrough of course.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #794 on: May 11, 2016, 09:33:PM »
That's right, he tried out tranquilisers on himself for fun.





What tranquilisers were these ?