Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[David1819]

It's difficult to know without a brain scan between psychopathy and sociopathy ecause as sociopath is caused by severe neglect and abuse, there can be a difficult crossover because a child born into an abusive household with cruel neglectful parents may become the same because of the abuse they suffer or because the have inherited their parents disposition.
It is very interesting but I do not claim to be an expert.

[Steve_uk]

Did he have any real friends of his own age or was he so afflicted by the "bastard" remark that he shunned company, lost in a world of his own thoughts as Michael Deckers remarked he considered him to be a Walter Mitty character. Did becoming the boss mean everything to someone who had no real talents in any area and more menacingly no real conscience towards his kinsmen?

[Jane]

Did he have any real friends of his own age or was he so afflicted by the "bastard" remark that he shunned company, lost in a world of his won thoughts as Michael Deckers remarked he considered him to be a Walter Mitty character. Did becoming the boss mean everything to someone who had no real talents in any area and more menacingly no real conscience towards his kinsmen?

It appears to me, that even when he was in a group, he was apart from the group -the controller?

[Steve_uk]

Stories in the literature on the case claim that he removed the diamonds from ladies' rings and substituted paste stones, stole watches from a jewellers' and was even entangled in some nightclub escapade, the details of which slip my memory but which hastened his withdrawal from the Antipodes. Whether June and Nevill thought their son was sowing his wild oats and would revert to a loving son once back in the hearth is difficult to say, though there isn't much information available on his formative years.

[Steve_uk]

It appears to me, that even when he was in a group, he was apart from the group -the controller?

"A prickly character" I believe the Head of Gresham's described him, and maybe this trait emerged when a topic of conversation was broached which was distasteful him, falling back on his allotted role in life of inheritor of White House Farm.

[Jane]

Stories in the literature on the case claim that he removed the diamonds from ladies' rings and substituted paste stones, stole watches from a jewellers' and was even entangled in some nightclub escapade, the details of which slip my memory but which hastened his withdrawal from the Antipodes. Whether June and Nevill thought their son was sowing his wild oats and would revert to a loving son once more once back in the hearth is difficult to say, though there isn't much information available on his infant and junior years.

Steve, I know that removing diamonds from their settings is a HIGHLY skilled job, and the stones would need to be of a size making paste/CZ/zircon/white sapphire replacements worthwhile. A jeweller would recall doing such work. Theft of such items would be recorded. Their loss wouldn't have gone unnoticed. I think THAT particular story may be apocryphal.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I know that removing diamonds from their settings is a HIGHLY skilled job, and the stones would need to be of a size making paste/CZ/zircon/white sapphire replacements worthwhile. A jeweller would recall doing such work. Theft of such items would be recorded. Their loss wouldn't have gone unnoticed. I think THAT particular story may be apocryphal.

Jane I agree there's probably some exaggeration, but I believe the Cartier watches story to be true as Suzette Ford was the recipient of one of them.

[Jane]

Jane I agree there's probably some exaggeration, but I believe the Cartier watches story to be true as Suzette Ford was the recipient of one of them.

Steve, whilst I would once have disagreed with that, I think, now, that the only other explanation could be that he bought/stole fakes during a stop-over, en route back to England.

[maggie]

Steve, whilst I would once have disagreed with that, I think, now, that the only other explanation could be that he bought/stole fakes during a stop-over, en route back to England.

I find that a much more probable story.

[Jane]

I find that a much more probable story.

Maggie, there'd have been an ALMIGHTY furore if genuine Cartiers had been stolen. It would have been dealt with at international level.

[maggie]

Maggie, there'd have been an ALMIGHTY furore if genuine Cartiers had been stolen. It would have been dealt with at international level.

I agree, I have never believed in the Cartier Watch myth, that's what I think it is.... a myth.

[Steve_uk]

I agree, I have never believed in the Cartier Watch myth, that's what I think it is.... a myth.

I wonder if Jeremy purchased them legitimately from the money loaned to him by his parents?  https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=suzette+ford+cartier+watches&source=bl&ots=h7NgKKOhUi&sig=m6bUOIBGDKJRcG1pmcCSc7BR7pM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBhoCh8onMAhXIlxoKHcytBt0Q6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=suzette%20ford%20cartier%20watches&f=false

[Jane]

I wonder if Jeremy purchased them legitimately from the money loaned to him by his parents?  https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=suzette+ford+cartier+watches&source=bl&ots=h7NgKKOhUi&sig=m6bUOIBGDKJRcG1pmcCSc7BR7pM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBhoCh8onMAhXIlxoKHcytBt0Q6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=suzette%20ford%20cartier%20watches&f=false

Steve, £2000 would have just about purchased the winder for ONE watch.

[maggie]

Steve, £2000 would have just about purchased the winder for ONE watch.

From what I know about Jeremy Bamber and it's true I don't really know much about the real day to day Jeremy I would think he was more of a fake Cartier kind of a guy.  Would thin he probably had other uses for his £2000.... clubbing, champers, women?

[Steve_uk]

From what I know about Jeremy Bamber and it's true I don't really know much about the real day to day Jeremy I would think he was more of a fake Cartier kind of a guy.  Would thin he probably had other uses for his £2000.... clubbing, champers, women?

But we know he was impulsive.. and hey he was young..