Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Alias]

Yes. For anyone else, this site makes it easy to find and allows you to estimate the blind spot's width. However, try to find it unaided first.

Interesting site. Thanks.

[Steve_uk]

With all the secret wheeling and dealing land deals the relatives were alleged to have done the case does sometimes resemble the worst machinations of the Dynasty programme. A cursory search of Google today brought up the obituary of Robert Woodiwis Boutflour whom one might describe as the patriarch of the remaining family and it’s safe to say had an antipathy to Jeremy if not before the murders then certainly after he saw the results of what he believed to be Jeremy’s handiwork:

I remember one thing;it was at that point that I realized that I loathed that boy and couldn’t bear being anywhere near him. I made my excuses and left with Pam my wife”.

Was it this gut feeling which started the ball rolling,to use a phrase of Jeremy’s,had he always been the cuckoo in the nest,confirmed in Robert’s mind when he learned of Brett,or had he recalled Jeremy’s remark about “easily being able to kill my parents” when the two were discussing security at Osea Road? Was this just another way of Jeremy taunting the relatives and getting his own back for their frosty treatment of him down the years? Had Sheila as a similar adoptee ever experienced likewise?

Of all the Prosecution witnesses I ranked him as the most unreliable because I think Robert felt himself the guardian of the family estates with their heritage and tradition which would all have been lost had Jeremy sold them to outsiders,as at that stage appeared to be Jeremy’s plan upon inheritance.Robert is in the thick of it with the silencer evidence(some might say he was in it up to his neck)which remained uncorroborated.

Robert had a long innings,though it seems in later years he may have suffered from Alzheimer’s disease.http://www.iannounce.co.uk/East-England/26/Obituary-Death-Memorial-notices/all_memorial?_fstatus=search;keywords=ROBERT%20WOODIWIS%20BOBBY%20BOUTFLOUR

[lookout]

Couldn't the extended family find any redeeming features in Jeremy at all ?.
Or was it because he was in the way of the inheritance.?

I bet Neville was hesitant that night about phoning Jeremy in case he,Jeremy, too got in the line of fire.

[Steve_uk]

Couldn't the extended family find any redeeming features in Jeremy at all ?.
Or was it because he was in the way of the inheritance.?

I bet Neville was hesitant that night about phoning Jeremy in case he,Jeremy, too got in the line of fire.

Hi lookout. I think Robert had forewarned Nevill about his son,hence the struggle which he put up in the kitchen that morning: as Jeremy told Julie:"I do miss the old man occasionally..he put up a good fight".

[Jane]

With all the secret wheeling and dealing land deals the relatives were alleged to have done the case does sometimes resemble the worst machinations of the Dynasty programme. A cursory search of Google today brought up the obituary of Robert Woodiwis Boutflour whom one might describe as the patriarch of the remaining family and it’s safe to say had an antipathy to Jeremy if not before the murders then certainly after he saw the results of what he believed to be Jeremy’s handiwork:

I remember one thing;it was at that point that I realized that I loathed that boy and couldn’t bear being anywhere near him. I made my excuses and left with Pam my wife”.

Was it this gut feeling which started the ball rolling,to use a phrase of Jeremy’s,had he always been the cuckoo in the nest,confirmed in Robert’s mind when he learned of Brett,or had he recalled Jeremy’s remark about “easily being able to kill my parents” when the two were discussing security at Osea Road? Was this just another way of Jeremy taunting the relatives and getting his own back for their frosty treatment of him down the years? Had Sheila as a similar adoptee ever experienced likewise?

Of all the Prosecution witnesses I ranked him as the most unreliable because I think Robert felt himself the guardian of the family estates with their heritage and tradition which would all have been lost had Jeremy sold them to outsiders,as at that stage appeared to be Jeremy’s plan upon inheritance.Robert is in the thick of it with the silencer evidence(some might say he was in it up to his neck)which remained uncorroborated.

Robert had a long innings,though it seems in later years he may have suffered from Alzheimer’s disease.http://www.iannounce.co.uk/East-England/26/Obituary-Death-Memorial-notices/all_memorial?_fstatus=search;keywords=ROBERT%20WOODIWIS%20BOBBY%20BOUTFLOUR

I would say that RWB's admission were the feelings he had held of Jeremy from the moment he was bought into the family, spoken openly for the first time. It may have been a huge relief to finally divest himself of them.

I also find it enormously strange, that despite that you would have us believe that RWB used every available opportunity to remind Nevill what a bastard was his son and yet Nevill never once appears to have reprimanded him for it. It's odd, don't you think, that Nevill put up with this. Mostly parents won't tolerate those who run down their children.

[SirSimeon2003]

It seems to me the Jeremy supporters want it both ways,which should no longer surprise me knowing this site,but as there are so many of you resolute in your support for Jeremy I would say this:either there never was any murder plan in Jeremy's mind and therefore Julie knew nothing and has made the bulk of her statement to Police up,or Jeremy bounced his murder plans off Julie and Julie is at least implicated to some degree and guilty of omission,but by the same token this also incriminates Jeremy as the source of the evil scheme in the first place.

Exactly

And love the fabulistic flairs and flourishes in your account of the "Prelude, Tragedy, Aftermath"

[lookout]

I don't think we've been introduced.SirSimeon2003,,,,,or have we.?

[Steve_uk]

I would say that RWB's admission were the feelings he had held of Jeremy from the moment he was bought into the family, spoken openly for the first time. It may have been a huge relief to finally divest himself of them.

I also find it enormously strange, that despite that you would have us believe that RWB used every available opportunity to remind Nevill what a bastard was his son and yet Nevill never once appears to have reprimanded him for it. It's odd, don't you think, that Nevill put up with this. Mostly parents won't tolerate those who run down their children.

Of course Jeremy was given this unfortunate epithet back in the days when political correctness barely existed and when he was most vulnerable away from home. Are psychopaths born or are they made( answers on a postcard to you know who..)My thoughts turned to this post after the recent revelation about the Archbishop of Canterbury, and it may be surprising that Jeremy has something in common with him. I had always thought it would take a man of the cloth to coax out the shocking truth and maybe now Justin Welby will take a renewed interest in the case.

[maggie]

Of course Jeremy was given this unfortunate epithet back in the days when political correctness barely existed and when he was most vulnerable away from home. Are psychopaths born or are they made( answers on a postcard to you know who..)My thoughts turned to this post after the recent revelation about the Archbishop of Canterbury, and it may be surprising that Jeremy has something in common with him. I had always thought it would take a man of the cloth to coax out the shocking truth and maybe now Justin Welby will take a renewed interest in the case.

In my understanding Steve, psychopaths are born and sociopaths are made but there are variations on this thinking.  It's believed sociopaths may have some ability to emote but are badly damaged whereas psychopaths are born with the emoting part of the brain missing.
If I remember rightly, Americans call all people with low or no emoting ability sociopaths. 
||Couldn't find a postcard sorry ..

[Steve_uk]

In my understanding Steve, psychopaths are born and sociopaths are made but there are variations on this thinking.  It's believed sociopaths may have some ability to emote but are badly damaged whereas psychopaths are born with the emoting part of the brain missing.
If I remember rightly, Americans call all people with low or no emoting ability sociopaths. 
||Couldn't find a postcard sorry ..

That's very interesting Maggie and I wonder if they are born there is a genetic element to this? Can a traumatic event trigger sociopathy such as the death of a family pet or am I clutching at straws?

[lookout]

I wouldn't have thought that Jeremy was a sociopath,as they're very anti-social people and are usually aggressive too amongst other things.
As Maggie pointed out,they're not born that way as it's usually caused by having been in an abusive household when growing up,but I shouldn't think that applies either.

[maggie]

That's very interesting Maggie and I wonder if they are born there is a genetic element to this? Can a traumatic event trigger sociopathy such as the death of a family pet or am I clutching at straws?

I think it is believed that psychopathy can be genetic and I heard recently that even narcissism can be genetic, which surprised me.  My understanding of sociopathy is that it is caused by abuse and neglect particularly in the formative years.

[maggie]

I wouldn't have thought that Jeremy was a sociopath,as they're very anti-social people and are usually aggressive too amongst other things.
As Maggie pointed out,they're not born that way as it's usually caused by having been in an abusive household when growing up,but I shouldn't think that applies either.

It's difficult to know without a brain scan between psychopathy and sociopathy ecause as sociopath is caused by severe neglect and abuse, there can be a difficult crossover because a child born into an abusive household with cruel neglectful parents may become the same because of the abuse they suffer or because the have inherited their parents disposition.
It is very interesting but I do not claim to be an expert.

[Jane]

I woud think sociopathy which is caused b neglect is caused by very severe abuse, think there is a difficult crossover because a child born into an abusive household with cruel neglectful parents ma become the same because of the abuse they suffer or because the have inherited their parents disposition.
It is very interesting but I do not claim to be an expert.

Sociopathy can be congenital or acquired -which I prefer to translate as afflicted on- whilst psychopathy is generally considered to be a meeting point of genetics and chemical inbalance.

[maggie]

Sociopathy can be congenital or acquired -which I prefer to translate as afflicted on- whilst psychopathy is generally considered to be a meeting point of genetics and chemical inbalance.

That's  what happens when I try to eat and type